Talk:Andrew Moray

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[edit] Guardian of Scotland?

Andrew de Moray, as far as I am aware,was never appointed Guardian of Scotland, a title extended to Wallace only late in 1297. No doubt Moray would have been named as joint Guardian-just as he was joint leader with Wallace of the army-but he died of the wounds he sustained at Stirling Bridge. Rcpaterson 22:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe there is in existence 2 copies of a letter sent by Moray and Wallace to the merchant towns of Germany shortly after Stirling Bridge. They signed it as Guardians of Scotland by consent of the realm on behalf of King John. PatGallacher 16:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

From memory I believe the letters to the Hanseatic towns were signed by Moray and Wallace as 'Leaders of the army of the Kingdom of Scotland and of the realm'. The first reference to the Guardianship as such comes in a charter to one Alexander Scrymgeour dated 29 March 1298, where Wallace appears as 'Sir William Wallace, Guardian of the Kingdom of Scotland and General of the Army...' I know that history has been unjust to Moray, and I have no doubt that he would have been appointed as joint Guardian if he had lived; but on a pure point of information the actual office, as far as I can tell, was held by Wallace alone. Rcpaterson 23:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

We ought to find a way of disambiguating this person and his son, but is Andrew Moray and Sir Andrew Moray the best way of doing it? How about Andrew Moray and Andrew Moray junior? PatGallacher 22:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Death dates can be used, as in Andrew Moray (d. 2006). You wouldn't need to do it for all, just the less important Andrew Morays. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You will find the article on the son under Sir Andrew Murray. The name had metamorphosed from De Moravia to Moray and finally to Murray. Andrew Murray and Sir Andrew Murray, if you like; but please, please no 'junior': unhistorical, un-Scottish and horribly trivial! Rcpaterson 23:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flemish descent?

Can anyone point me to proof that Moray was descended from a Flemish noble? I know that his anscestor, Freskyn, was given estates at Duffus in Moray by King David I as a reward for helping to depose the mormaer. Other Flemish nobles were attributed by the term "Flandrensis" in charters, but Freskyn was never referred to as such.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Billreid (talk • contribs) 18/10/2006.