Talk:Andreas Papandreou

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Where does this "George Papandreou, junior" and "George Papandreou, senior" convention come from? I've never seen it done this way before. Two google hits: [1] --Jiang

They are two different people with the same name. But they are not "Sr" and "Jr" in the American style. Adam 07:36, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

What do you mean by "American usages"? The British repeatedly and erroneously refer to George H. W. Bush as "George Bush Sr" [2][3]

Jr and Sr is an American usage. The fact that the Poms don't understand how it works would seem to confirm that. Adam

But yes, you are right, they are not Jr. and Sr. However, the current formatting does not appear elsewhere and seems rather awkward. Why not just have Giorgios Papandreou (or George...) and Giorgios Andreas Papandreou (and place a disambiguation note on the top of each)? placing "junior" and "senior" after the name implies they are father and son and the author forgot to capitalize. --Jiang

They are both Giorgios (George in English usage) Andreas Papandreou - that's how Greek family names work, every eldest son is named after his paternal grandfather. I don't think it makes much different what the files are called because people will search for Papandreou if they are looking for any of them. It only implies they are father and son to Americans, who are 5% of the population of the world. And even it does inmply that, so what? Amyone who reads the articles will learn otherwise. Adam 07:52, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Most contributors here are Americans. We don't have a representative cross section of the world's population reading Wikipedia articles on Greek politicians.

Why isn't "Andreas" included in the "senior" article? How about George Papandreou (elder) and George Papandreou (younger)? Don't also assume that people reading these articles have extensive background knowledge on this issue. They should know what their topic is before they begin. --Jiang 07:58, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

But if you call him GP (elder) won't people assume he is an elder (a small tree of the honeysuckle family, sambucus canadensis)?

But sure, change it if you want. There are bigger things in the world to argue about. Adam

Or we could disambigulate by their birth and death years, but that is unprecedented. --Jiang

Is this the only example in the whole encyclopaedia of two people with identical names, who are not Sr and Jr, and who have the same occupations? Adam

Adam I think that you don't have a very neutral opinion about A.Papandreou. I believe you should show a bit more respect to a person that motivated about the 50% of greek population. For 35 years (1945-1981) Greece was governed by a regime (parakratos), there was not a stable democracy. More of 50% of greek people were,less or more, treated like parasites. Karamanlis knew that, he once said "Who does rule this county ". (...after Lambrakis assasination).It is wide known that the US supported this situation (...C.I.A documents etc.). Papandreou just expressed the anger of Greek people for the US policy all these years. It is true that he had done many mistakes in his political carreer, but it is also true that he 'balanced' the Greek community.

If you take a closer look into the modern Greek history you will realize that what i say about 'healing the wounds of the civil war and stabilising Democracy' is not far away from the truth.

I don't respond to anonymous comments. Adam 09:21, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm not anonymous. I just want to keep my privacy and I don't believe that you will show more respect to my point of view,even if you read my name.

However, here we are talking about someone's biography. You can't judge a person that you don't even know.

A.Papandreou was a one of the great economists of our century. He was one of the first people who talked about "modern socialism" in mid 50's. He had a great academic carreer, he worked in the best universities in US.

It is very selfish to write something so prejudiced for this great man and to demand from everyone else to accept it.

"It only implies they are father and son to Americans, who are 5% of the population of the world. And even it does inply that, so what? Anyone who reads the articles will learn otherwise. Adam 07:52, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Most contributors here are Americans. We don't have a representative cross section of the world's population reading Wikipedia articles on Greek politicians."

I assume you can back up your claim that most Wikipedians are American???!!! And even if they are, why should Wikipedia bow down to American conventions? 80.177.152.156

[4] Came across this article. Had not heard of him, but he sound hmm like Papandreou. Now the born of the article look like he was not fun of Israel. That kind of was missed by wikipedia article