User talk:Anagnorisis

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The average man thinks he isn't The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt An intellectual is a person who's found one thing that's more interesting than sex Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience

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I award this Epic Barnstar to Anagnorisis for his excellent efforts designing and authoring Venezuela-related history articles. Congratulations. Saravask 19:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I award this Exceptional Newcomer Award to Anagnorisis for his uncanny insight into NPOV and meticulous deletionism, as well as for his exquisitely data-driven, polished, and refined debating style. Saravask 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Plantains or tostones? 2 Cutting down the Hugo Chavez article's size 3 Please continue with condensation and deletion 4 How to revert 5 Epa 6 Arindam Chaudhuri 7 Miss Saigon 8 Endurance 9 Apologies 10 Appreciate your good advice 11 translation needed 12 English version 13 Anything else needed? 14 Images in the Chavez article 15 Images 16 Image changes 17 New lead image 18 Chavez insult news 19 Frecuencia de muestreo 20 Thank you 21 Traducción 22 pro-Chavez slant in the article 23 Barnstars 24 Venezuela 25 Pro-Chavez bias 26 Barnstar 27 speak style 28 Chavez is "bald" now ... 29 E-mail 30 bald vs. bold 31 Reversion problems 32 "Adan" or "Adam" 33 "Foreign banks financed Chavez campaign" 34 Chavez is no longer "bald'; he is instead "ribald" 35 Silence 36 Some useful links 37 Appreciations 38 signature 39 Hey, from the spanish Wikipedia 40 Greetings 41 Concerns about the FAC 42 Thanks for your message 43 About your unexpected 'visit' ;-) 44 Hello? 45 From User talk:Raul654 46 sos re Chavez 47 Felices Fiestas 48 Felices fiestas 49 Could you please check this translation? 50 Framnaes 51 Endurance related Norway articles 52 Userboxes 53 Las dictaduras de Antoine 54 Saludos 55 Speedy tag 56 Simón Bolívar 57 Consulta de borrado de AvF en la Wikipedia en español 58 Dlyons493Bot 59 MoS says "no" to quotes in italics 60 Mistake in Discussion page of Bhumibol Adulyadej article? 61 Saludos a un exiliado 62 Tómatelo como unas vacaciones 63 Help needed in the Hugo Chávez article 64 SIDA 65 Caballeros blancos van a hablar con Jimbo 66 Chavista 67 Walking into the minefield 67.1 Merge iniative 68 United States-Venezuela relations 69 Merge Chavismo-Bolivarianism 70 Hola 71 Ya me han bloqueado! 72 Un saludo! 73 Randroide: Better userbox 74 Han Solo al habla (Randroide)

[edit] Plantains or tostones?

Interesting... Thanks for clarifying that! I've edited the article to reflect what you described. Please have a look and make sure I got it right. -SCEhardt 13:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cutting down the Hugo Chavez article's size

OK. I agree. You guys are absolutely correct, and I put back the verylong boilerplate. Feel free to remove any content you need to from the Hugo Chavez article. I just ask that the content that you remove goes somewhere — into a daughter article (a daughter article is , as you said, just a linked article), a new article, etc. Please don't just delete content without first putting a copy of it in some other article. If you do the deletions, I'll back you guys up in case you are accused of vandalism or are reverted. Have fun. Regards, Saravask 15:44, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please continue with condensation and deletion

I just forgot that you were still planning to delete. Please delete any irrelavent and redundant material. I'll add back small pieces I think are necessary in order to maintian comprehensiveness, but the article is still too long. By the way, this article is only undergoing peer review, not FAC. Please put comments on the peer review page. Thanks. Saravask 07:59, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How to revert

Anagnorisis, just follow the directions at Wikipedia:Revert. Look under the directions for "non-admins" (which describes you). Then you can revert vandalism too. Whatever that guy intended to do, what he actually did would be considered Vandalism, unlike the deletions you are doing, which are very helpful. Salutes. Saravask 23:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Epa

Ya vi tu mensaje por el Café de w:es, te digo una cosa, no estoy de acuerdo por tu decisión, yo he tenido fuertes problemas con los bibliotecarios y eso no deja de pensar que puedo seguir colaborando, no me pongo a pensar si por ejemplo les incomoda alguna actitud en particular, por que al final del caso, todos somos libres de ir y venir, y de colaborar en la medida que podamos, si la cosa era colocar acentos, recomendé un barra de búsqueda que te las corrige por ti, y así te evitas problemas, otro es el caso de que no quieras corregirlas por nada del mundo me parece una aptitud un poco inmadura, no vas a venir en pro de guerra con todo el que te reclame, de la forma que lo haga, entonces como harás con tus padres y profesores, te iras de tu casa y de tu escuela por no acatar normas ortográficas, en fin un saludo y nos vemos por allí. --Oscar 16:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arindam Chaudhuri

I noticed you had marked this Arindam Chaudhuri article for speedy deletion. My response is in the article's Talk page. - Ganeshk 21:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Saigon

Hello, I left a message for you on Talk:Patpong. Cheers, AxelBoldt 22:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Endurance

Nice work on the Endurance (1912 ship) article. Are those photos Frank Hurley ones? I think he was the only photographer of note on board. If so you can use the {{PD-Australia}} license for them. Nomadtales 01:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies

It is sad that the Hugo Chavez was not balanced enough between personal and political to the extent that you could not give strong support. I just cannot find any additional information on his personal life, even after looking through books and combing dependable web resources. All I have found that could possibly be added is material from his interviews where he professes a deep love for his grandmother (his visits to her house, his continual worry that she would die while he was away) as well as other subjective remarks made by Chavez about his pride in his racial features (curly hair, etc.). I cannot even find the birthdate of his children. Before, I have added large amounts of material about is sculpting, baseball career, Christian faith, etc. to the article. But right now, for the life of me, I just cannot find any other details. Maybe you have suggestions about good sources on Chavez's personal life that I do not know about? Thank you. Saravask 23:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Appreciate your good advice

Your comments are really helpful in moving this FAC through. Please, if there is any project or pages that you are working on or are devoted to, let me know and I will try and return the favor by making contributions, etc. Don't be afraid. Just ask! Thanks. Saravask 08:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] translation needed

I understand Spanish muy pocito. I can't find which part is the innuendo. Is it where he considers marrying her, or when he calls her "Condolencia"? I added your reference to the footnotes and the corresponding inline ref link the foreign policy section, so all you need to do is to add the vulgar quote to that section. Thanks. Saravask 22:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] English version

Never mind. I just read the English version. I still only see suggestions that she wanted to marry him or "dreams" about him, or sending Fidel or himself to her. Which one is the inflammatory one that should be included? Saravask 22:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC) I just put two remarks in. Saravask 22:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anything else needed?

All the objectors in the FAC have changed their votes to "support", so I have more time to make the article more balanced between personal and political. What else needs to be added? Regards, Saravask 23:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images in the Chavez article

This whole thing with the images is giving me a big headache. So many people are saying different things. Just now, someone started adding fair use images again, right after I had to delete them because of an objection to the FAC. I trust your judgment, since you are Venezeulan and I am not. Could you please handle the images and change/delete whatever images you feel necessary? I only know about his life, and I suppose not so much about how he dresses (I've only seen a few episodes of Alo, Presidente! for example). Most of the images are from the Wikipedia Commons, meaning that there are no restrictions on their use. I would think that most of those should be kept, as they show Chavez shmoozing with other heads of state. I also think that there should be at least one picture of Chavez interacting with a crowd, speaking at a lecture, etc., since that is a large part of his presidency. But then again, maybe you know more about these things. Regards, Saravask 02:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I apologize for not answering your messages. I'm looking through your images right now. Like you said, just let me know which ones are bad (and of course, you're free to just add or remove them yourself directly). This isn't just my article that only I can control (although it may seem that way), and its Wikipedia after all. Saravask 09:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image changes

I just removed the crowd image (I guess it had to go, since it was fair-use also). I also put in one of the images you pasted to my talk page, and remove the red-shirt image where he is at WSF. I like this arrangement now, since there are now zero fair-use images. I do not know about adding the Bush-Chavez picture. I'll ask Bunchofgrapes if it would be fine. By the way, I voted in that attempt to get the Hugo Chavez article to be featured on the Spanish Venezuela portal. I put my reasons, and hope my gringo Spanish is readable. Regards, Saravask 10:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New lead image

I hope you like the new lead image that I put in—it only took me two hours of web-searching government sites to find (:<O). But seriously, I don't really mind. IMO, this one looks MUCH, **MUCH** better than the UN photo. Thanks for the suggestion. Saravask 11:35, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chavez insult news

I just put a copy of your comments on the news in the Talk page, where more people can see it. I also hope that my summary in the Foreign policy of Hugo Chávez article is correct. Feel free to add other stuff/comments/news. Thanks. Saravask 17:32, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

• Acutally, the insult info was just added to the main page as well, since it seemed that if I didn't add it, someone else eventually would. Thanks. Saravask 18:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Frecuencia de muestreo

Hola. ¿queria preguntarte a que te refieres con lo de velocidad?. No lo entiendo. si te referes a la velocidad de transferencia de datos, no es este su apartado está en el artículo bit rate... pero puedo incluir referencia

En cuanto a muchas palabras en inglés innecesarias, si tienes la amabilidad de indicarme cuáles son... las cambio. Ya sabes, los técnicos pecamos de usar la terminología que suele haber por los manuales... y lo que pasa.... De hecho, mi inglés es bastante malo, así que si en español existe una palabra que no conozco... mejor que mejor.

Me gustaria mejorar el artículo y te agradezco la críticas. Un saludo y buena navegación wiki en castellano 22:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC) ya he visto que te salía en rojo... la costumbre... http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Marb

ah!, extrictamente no se podría hablar de velocidad, pero, de facto, si... Quiero decir... si se toman más muestras por segundo... es más rápido, no?...

Software/hardware no conozco equivalente en español

samples/oversampling/y no está aqui, pero sampler... son términos que la gente emplea muchas veces en ingláes... tu y yo... sabemos inglés, pero hay muchas persona que no. Yo pienso en ese niño que consulta la wiki... en mi madre, en mi padre... en fin... que tampoco creo que venga mal. Algun día no sera necesario... pero hoy por hoy creo que si.

Eso son puntos de vista diferentes. Tu crees mejor una cosa, yo otra... no hay problema.

En cuanto a tu tercera crítica, tienes toda la razón y no te la puedo quitar.

Nuevamente, un saludo y gracias por tu amabilidad al contestar. 81.38.60.4 23:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for the clarification of your vote. By the way, I am still thinking about what you said about the misbalance between excessive treatment of Chavez's political life and not enough about his personal life. Because of what you rightly said (your excellent criticism), I just ordered a 400 page book/biography on Chavez. As soon as I get it (a few days from now), I'll be looking especially for personal affairs, events from his adultery with Herma Marksman, and other details. Then I'll be adding them to the article. Thanks again for that comment; I so you are completely correct now. Also, I'm surprised you haven't gotten any barnstars for your excellent work on Paez, Guaicaipuro, and other Venezuelans. Just wait around, and it will happen ... Saravask 11:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Traducción

Hola Anagnorisis, te he visto en linea y tal vez tengas un poquito de tiempo para ayudarme con una traducción que comencé y deje a la deriva, se trata de Venezuelan recall referendum of 2004, en español:Referéndum de Venezuela, 2004, si quieres le metes mano, o me pasas la traducción en mi discusión de w:en (ante tu decisión de no colaborar mas por allá), Espero tu respuesta. Salu2--Oscar_ 17:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Hola de nuevo, puedes pasarmela por aca o por alla, no importa, ¿Que te falta de Páez? creo que la Batalla de Carabobo, realmente no he visto, ando ocupado intentando organizar el Wikiproyecto de esa wiki que me deja poco tiempo. Saludos --Oscar_. 19:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Hola Anagnorisis, gracias por mandarme la traducción, :D, sobre lo riguroso que son con los acentos, ya te hable sobre ese tema, tu puedes contribuir tranquilamente en esa wiki, por que para eso esta la wikipedia no, no importa si un texto esta mal escrito, tiene deficiencias de formato, es poco neutral, siempre podrá ser arreglado ¿no?. Saludos--Oscar_ 18:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] pro-Chavez slant in the article

The latest voter on the FAC has pointed out pro-Chavez slant in parts of the article. Since I am personally mostly sympathetic to Chavez, I think I am probably blind to this slant. Could you make edits or give advice on how the slant can be corrected? Thanks. Saravask 00:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Actually, that voter just gave me a message about the slant after I asked her for more details:

"There wasn't any particular section that stood out as being biased (the article is far too good for that); rather it just gave me the vibe of being a little sympathetic. I doubt I could pick out any specific criticisms, which is one reason why I didn't object because of it. Ambi 01:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)"

If you still feel things need to be corrected, feel free. Regards, Saravask 01:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the pro-Chavez slant does need to be corrected as you said, even if there is no objection to it. Do what you feel is best, and I'll go along. Regards, Saravask 19:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstars

I figured you've earned these guys by now at the very least. Keep up the good work on your articles. Saravask 19:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Another side note: Would you mind voting on the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Yuan (surname) FAC candidacy? I have nothing to do with that article, but I just personally think it is an exquisite and exceptional work. Thanks in advance. Saravask 19:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Venezuela

I really appreciate your help in making Hugo Chavez an FA. I think there would have definetly been more than one objection if not for your removal of redundant material.
I was just wondering if you had ever thought of the idea of Venezuela (your homeland) becoming a Featured Article. We could try the same approach there, adding sources, building up the text, etc. Let me know whether or not you're interested in this ... Saravask 12:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pro-Chavez bias

No. That's all right. I just came online a few minutes ago and saw your list of facts, so I figured I should put them in before anything else. We can always edit different sections so that there are no inadvertant edit conflicts, and you can always edit my work in a section after I am done. Thanks. Saravask 00:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
I need to leave again and probably cannot continue through the list until much later this evening. Now you have chance to chack my edits and do work correcting the bias. Thanks. Saravask 00:33, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Hey, thanks. I just saw the spinning star and have never seen anything like it! I'll put it up on my user page in a barnstar frame, if you don't mind.
Unfortunately, I felt I needed to remove your insertion into the lead about his ribald speaking style. Looking at the leads of Hitler, Thatcher, or Castro — whoare all expert orators and rhetoricians, I don't think this article should make an exception to the rule. The lead is the place to define what is unique about Chavez, and what that CHavez has done that has had the most impact on people's lives. Hearing someone speak may possibly touch you emotionally for a while, but it does not give you health care, schooling, a new land title, or whatever else that materially impacts your life. Instead what gives thiese things (or so CHavez supporters say)? Democratic socialism, anti-imperialism, etc. Or if we are talking about Bush, we don't mention his speaking style in the introduction (look for yourself). No. Instead we mention the salient policy achievements Bush has put forth. Per this reasoning, I moved your good insertion down into the Coup and political rise" section. But that was the only problem I had with your recommendations so far. I'll start effecting the other corrections. Thank you. Saravask 09:10, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• You have a point with respect to the "Mission Vuelta al Campo" picture. I removed the picture. LOL — wouldn't that be some lovely country to colonize ...

[edit] speak style

I can comromise. I think we should give it either one or two words at most. For example, we can insert the word "ribald", "pugnacious", or "confrontational" (although some of these words are vague. The first paragraph should otherwise be kept as absolutely short as possibel so that no one element swamps the others for attention. I'll think more about what should be done. Thanks Saravask 09:29, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chavez is "bald" now ...

I inserted the word "bald and" (as in "his bald and radical criticism" into the first paragraph. This is the most NPOV term I could find. "Bald" means that his rhetoric is not finessed, is not covered-up, not concealed. Bald just means that he rants openly, without attempting (at least not usually) to preserve pretensions of diplomacy. Bald also means that he attacks defiantly, without being intimidated. I hope you agree. I don't thin other terms like "defiant", "daring", and "brave" are NPOV. Of course, if you have problems with the new wording, let me know. Thanks. Saravask 09:39, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

It is not a good idea for anyone to send Wikipedia-related email to me. Here's why:

1. My computer frequently freezes up and crashes when I transfer text between my web browser (where I use Wikipedia) and non-web browser applications, such as e-mail clients.
2. The university email is monitored, and I don't wan't unrelated material there.
3. I probably won't be working on this article forever. It would be better if you posted your comments (that you spend so much time writing) to the Hugo Chavez talk page, so that future editors will have access to them, and everyone can see them and help make the changes.
4. Likewise, if you post commments to the talk page rather than emailing them, it is much less hassle (avoiding freeze-ups, downloading and opening attachments, etc.) to transfer text from one Wikipedia page to another.

I appreciate your understanding. Thanks. Saravask 09:47, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] bald vs. bold

No. "bald" is the correct word. I think "bold" is a very POV term, suggesting that Chavez is some sort of an atavistic champion marching lock-step bravely into the setting sun and a glorious future and leading his trusting and innocent Venezuelan children behind him, et cetera. LOL. "Bald" on the other hand merely suggests here his "raw" and "uncovered" ranting/rhetoric/whatever. Saravask 09:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:-)

[edit] Reversion problems

I see that you've been reverted many times now by User:Silence. This is unfortunate. We should both be patient — after his editing is done, then we can restore what elements we need in the article. Thanks. Saravask 05:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Adan" or "Adam"

What is the name of Chavez's older brother? You say it was Adan, but I thought a saw elsewhere that it was Adam. I'll put in "Adan" for now, until I get an answer. Thanks. Saravask 06:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Foreign banks financed Chavez campaign"

??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!
Wait. Let me clarify. Did Chavez just apply for loans (to finance his campaign) at a bank which happened to be foreign-owned, just like any other campaigner would? Or did he get this funding as part of foreign meddling.interference? For now, I added the information to the article. But I don't think it belongs in there unless the latter (foreign government interference) was the case. Thanks Saravask 06:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I see ... So since it is illegal, I guess it should stay in there then. I also put in the book reference along with it so that Silence does not have an excuse to revert me *again* (like I just was when I tried to put in a couple of suggestions of yours). Thanks Saravask 07:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chavez is no longer "bald'; he is instead "ribald"

I just put in the word "ribald" to describe his speaking and politicking style. I hope this answers your concern, since the dictionary definition of "ribald" is "vulgar or indecent in speech, language, etc.; coarsely mocking". I think we both agree that this decribes Chavez's style of doing *everything*, not just speaking. I hope, though, that I do not get reverted *again* by (you-know-who). Thanks. Saravask 22:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Silence

I think we should trust Silence, and let him make any improvements he wishes to. Silence has been around Wikipedia much longer than either of us, and has more experience in these matters. I expect the Hugo Chavez article to feature on the main page sometime around December 10, and this article DOES need improvement, even if it is featured. I think we should both just get out of his way and work on other articles, like I have started to do. Since this article is the only FA dealing with anything Venezuelan or Latino, any improvements attainable should be pursued, full stop. Saravask 02:53, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Some useful links

I've been told that you're relatively new to Wikipedia, so it's understandable that you aren't yet aware of many of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines; hell, I haven't read them all yet either. You may wish to read the following pages when you have the time, to avoid future conflicts of a similar nature to our recent one. I wish you well. -Silence 05:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Civility
• Wikipedia:No personal attacks
• Wikipedia:Etiquette
• Wikipedia:Assume good faith
• Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point

[edit] Appreciations

Now I just saw that you have made up with Silence. This is good. I still do not know who started it, since we weren't having such ridiculous arguments before Silence came (no blame is intended by this remark, please — for anyone else who may be reading this, I am entitled to have my own opinions without them being analyzed ...).
I'll put in your suggestions later today. Thanks. As for the disagreement, thank God. Let it be forgotten. ← Saravask –

[edit] signature

I see from your signature that you probably didn't understand. Sorry. The way I did it was to click on "my preferences" (you should see this at the top of your page). You should check the box "Raw signatures ...". Then, you should paste some raw HTML code into "Nickname:". I pasted the code "[[user:Saravask|<font color="#FF9000">← Saravask — </font>]]". You yourself could try something like "[[user:Anagnorisis|<font color="#FF0000">← Anagnorisis — </font>]]" or whatever. Be creative. ← Saravask — 00:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hey, from the spanish Wikipedia

Because this is English Wikipedia, I suppose I have to write in English :D, hello Again Anagnorisis, I saw in the Chávez's talk page that you will start editing and helping there again, I applaud that, we need some help because 3 user are not enough hehe, by the way, you should visit the Venezuelan wikipedians category to see the news, we have initiate a new voting to define the new rules for the promotion of featured articles in the Venezuelan Portal, please visit it and give your opinion and vote!, cya!. Saludos desde Mérida Venex 04:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC) ( y por los acentos recuerda no molestarte, después se podrían hacer las correcciones necesarias...)

[edit] Greetings

Hello, I believe we've begun the wrong way, I have seen the latest editing u made in Hugo Chavez article in spanish and I'm grateful about it, the user before you made some terrible adds and you actually arranged those into a more balanced content.

I'm wondering if you would like to help me to impove the translation in the articles about Venezuelan states and cities in english (they are kinda poor or insufficient the most times) Rolf obermaier 12:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC) 12:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

• • Buenos días, te escribo en español porque me respondiste en español, con respecto al artículo de Hugo Chávez te confieso que me rindo, que chavistas y antichavistas se las arreglen solos, pero hay algunos artículos referentes a la historia de Venezuela, a la geografía del país que estoy ampliando en español y eventualmente me gustaría llevar esto a Wiki en ingles y alemán; de cualquier forma me estoy organizando y despues te escribiría acerca de lo que se pudiese hacer en otro idioma (estoy comenzando por mi tierra {Táchira} y en donde vivo ahora {Lara}), Saludos. Rolf obermaier

[edit] Concerns about the FAC

I have addressed your concerns. Please take a few seconds to re-evaluate both the article and your vote. Also, I would appreciate it if you refrain from referring to me in the future as "boy". Let us keep this discussion focussed solely on the material at hand. Thank you. ← SARAVASK — 06:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Uh, that was an old and idiotic comment I made in response to your comment about the need of a picture. I did not assume good faith, as per WP:AGF. I sincerely take it back and apologize; I really did assume it was a point of objection, and was duly outraged. I also take back any other lecturing comments. I don't want my stupid comments to turn this into an epic Silence-Anagnorisis debate. LOL. Thanks. ← SARAVASK — 06:39, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your message

I just got your message about Chavez's binge drinking. So I just removed that sentence. Are there any other concerns? The FAC will probably be ended one way or another by Raul654 early tomorrow (Sunday) morning, so it would be could if we could take care of pro-Chavez POV issues before then.

Also, I just wanted to offer appreciations for your work on the Chavez articles. After this FAC, I am not going to work on the Chavez articles any longer — so I think you should put them on your watchlist, counter the vandalism and pro-Chavez POV, answer peoples' comments on the talk page (like you've already been doing), etc. It will bring you much prestige to manage and be the lead contributor to such featured articles. Heck, someone (not me, I'm too inexperienced) might even make an admin out of you. Regards, ← SARAVASK — 18:47, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] About your unexpected 'visit' ;-)

Hi, I responded on my own page, as is my policy ;-) But just to make sure you find it, since you stumbled upon it by accident, I thought I'd leave you a note as well ;-) Regards, --JoanneB 18:56, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello?

You still have an outstanding "weak object" vote on the FAC. Now that I've addressed all of your concerns, would you mind either re-evaluating your vote or, if you choose to maintain your object, provide additional concerns I have not addressed? Thank you. ← SARAVASK — 19:24, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• I didn't mean to by so rude and abrupt. I can't help you polish up the Hugo Chavez article. Please, I think you should finish it up. As fo the "Early life" article FAC, if you see something else you object to, please delete or modify it — I probably wouldn't do as good a job in answering your concerns, and it is much more efficient this way. I think that Raul654 will be going down the list of FACs on very early Sunday morning and count up the votes then. Thanks for your time. ← SARAVASK — 20:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] From User talk:Raul654

BTW, what is the percentage of articles aproved out of those submitted for consideration? I bet way over 50%

It should make you feel better to know that in November, 71 FACs failed and 37 were promoted, meaning that only 34.3% of articles were approved. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] sos re Chavez

I'm writing a book for middle grade students about Chavez, for a series on Modern World Leaders. The Wikipedia pages and the sources cited have been great, but I have to do biographical background, and there's little of it to be found in English and I don't read Spanish. It would help if I could read Chavez sin Uniforme, I think. Saravask said you had.

Is there anyway we could speak or communicate not on a public site? I can't pay you (these work-for-hire projcts pay REALLY badly)but perhaps could retrun the favor in some other way. (I've worked as an editor, for instance.

What I feel as though I'm missing is a feel for him as a kid--more about relations with parents, with how he got interested in politics, with how he met his first wife, with his relations with his kids. He discusses the kids a very little in some interviews--

Soemthing I've read says he was injured and that's what wrecked his chance of a baseball career; one site (really dubious) says his mother beat him so badly that his grandmother had to hide him. I don't know what he means when he says that the church portrayed Christ as an idiot. I do know what he means when he sees Christ as a rebel.

I don't have to predict the future in this book--luckily--and I don't have to take sides. I do have to produce some sort of coherent "read" about what it his he's doing politically--as the book is about world leaders, I have to say what kind of leader he is.

Is there any way we could talk? I could give you my e-mail. THANK YOU.

Well, give me your email and we can take it from there. How old are the children in your intended audience? BTW, it is easier to return messages to your page if you sign your message. All you have to do is type 4 of this signs consecutively: ~ as in ~ ~ ~ ~ (without the spaces). --Anagnorisis 15:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks-- e-mail is: judylevin@earthlink.net not sure where the 69.3.106.194 15:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC) go, or what function they serve.sorry. The kids I'm writing for are about 12 or 13; the series--it used to be Chelsea House, but it was just bought by Facts on File--it surprisingly sophisticated, though unevenly written. I find him a hoot (I don't like Bush much either. . . )but I can't just write about how he amuses me.I worry that he's just throwing oil money at the poor and I am glad to see someone take care fo the poor but am not sure it makes for a sound long-term financial policy.I think I can see what he MEANS to people--to the rich and to people who look like him. I can't see whether he has a real plan. 69.3.106.194 15:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations on being a featured article--can you check in at my email address so we can talk?? Thanks!

[edit] Felices Fiestas

Saludos. Como no pienso conectarme este fin de semana, Feliz Navidad, por adelantado. --Rolf Obermaier 21:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Felices fiestas

Hola Sr. Anagnorisis. Tiempo sin escribirle, mi mensaje esta vez es para desearle una felices fiestas decembrinas y un gran 2006!, espero que para el próximo año nos visite más en Wikipedia en español. Aprovechando el espacio, vengo a ofrecer mi modesta ayuda para cuando desee continuar haciendo artículos por llá, solo avisarme y pasaré el corrector ortográfico :D, además le recuerdo visitar el portal de los wikipedistas venezolanos para enterarse de las noticias de esos lares como por ejemplo que el artículo en donde he estado trabajando por unos 4 meses o más, el de Mérida ha sido postulado a artículo destacado y le invito a votar (aquí) ya sea a favor o en contra. Saludos desde Mérida. Venex 22:57, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Could you please check this translation?

Hello, Anagnorisis. If you aren't too busy, I would like to get the opinion of a native Spanish speaker on my recent translation of José Millán Astray (from here). I attempted to do it mostly verbatim, replacing a few idiomatic expressions when necessary. I have a few concerns, which I mention on the talk page. If you have the time, it would benefit the article greatly to be reviewed. Thanks. Bhumiya/Talk 06:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. There's no hurry. Fito approved of the overall translation, but there's still one quote I'm not sure of, and it could be an important point. Bhumiya 07:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Framnaes

Hello there. I'm wondering if your article Framnaes is/should/could be merged/become Framnæs shipyard. Personally I would prefer if the shipyard article was separated from Grenland/Hitec Framnæs. Framnæs Mekaniske Verksted AS (check info e.g. here) could then be the main topic in the Framnæs shipyard article. Construction of e.g. Endurance (which is a great article) would then belong in the shipyard article. Any comments on this? --Nordby73 00:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I removed Endurance info from Framnaes, as there is a link on Framnæs shipyard. I also changed a link in Endurance. Hope you agree. --Nordby73 22:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endurance related Norway articles

Hello again :-) I've checked (some of?) the articles you referred to on my talk page. Great work! As I'm cind of "looking after" the Sandefjord article (you may find more "wikify links" there for Endurance related articles), I had already contributed a bit in some of them. I checked a bit and updated/modified two of the Endurance related articles this evening. --Nordby73 00:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Framnæs shipyard now contains information related to e.g. Endurance and Lars Christensen. Feel free to join in on copy/edit and improvement of Framnæs shipyard (including making related relevant articles). --Nordby73 20:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

Feel free to use any/many of the boxes on my user page. Check Wikipedia:Userboxes for all currently available. --Nordby73 19:28, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Las dictaduras de Antoine

Salve, hombre que le gusta verse en el espejo cuando se masturba xD. Vi que le respondiste a Antoine su perorata sobre las dictaduras en el café de la Wiki en español, así que pasaba nomás a decirte que hay una discusión parecida en el artículo dictadura. Si querés pasate por ahí, que se dificulta hacerlo entrar en razón. Saludos, galio (disc).

¿Decís que en el Café está la posibilidad de que lo lea algún imparcial y pueda entrar en razón? Es cierto, tan cierto como que algunos nunca van a entrar en razón, y la única forma de contenerlos termina siendo la oposición en masa :(. Parece que Antoine tomó algo de tu comentario, por supuesto mal: ahora cuestiona en la discusión de dicradura que Pinochet sea un dictador, porque a él no le parece xD. Aunque sea por haberle dado pie para desvariar, ¿no tenés ganas de participar? El problema es que somos siempre los mismos. Hace unos días estuvo panfleteando en la discusión de la República Popular China y vandalizando el artículo, lo que le valió un merecido —y festejado— bloqueo. Saludos, galio (disc).

Raro, no sale la candidatura de Octavio en los archivos. Preguntale a la Cardenal, seguramente sabe. Saludos, galio (disc).

La Cardenal es Lourdes Cardenal. Supongo que también Hispa o Taragüí sabrán dónde anda la versión archivada de la votación de Octavio. El tema de Ari lo tenés en el historial de la miscelánea del Café, donde vas a poder ver el insulto que desató todo el quilombo. Después de eso vino un bloqueo a Ari por parte de Octavio, un desbloqueo por parte de Taichi y la correspondiente discusión entre los dos últimos, sumado a los que seguíamos todo desde el IRC como gorda que mira el culebrón venezolano. Lo que te decía de Antoine es que ahora dice que el hecho de que Pinochet sea dictador o no es relativo. Preferiría que le contestaras vos, que por el momento en que lo dijo estimo que se inspiró en base a entender mal tu comentario en el Café. Saludos, galio (disc).

[edit] Saludos

Vi en el café de wikipedia que querías "morbosamente" saber sobre el asunto Ari-Taragui. Ya pasó el temporal pero te doy estos enlaces: [1]

[2]

Espero que no me guardes rencor sé que fui antipática contigo en el asunto de los acentos. (Tú estuviste algo "maleducado" con alguna gente también, reconócelo). Estoy en Wikipedia, si necesitas algo, incluso acentos ;-) Lourdes Cardenal

[edit] Speedy tag

Hello! About your speedy deletion tag of Señor Boombox: Using "what links here" would have shown that it was an album by Disco Biscuits. This doesn't mean that there was anything too wrong with the speedy tagging, because the tagger isn't actually required to do so. It's just that an admin has to look at that before deletion, and then can't in good faith delete it as not having any context, since he then has context. I've added the three words of context to the article and a {{stub}} tag. Keep up the good work!
brenneman^{T}{L} 06:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simón Bolívar

Hi you need to add a source for Chavez's theory. Thanks Arniep 19:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consulta de borrado de AvF en la Wikipedia en español

Hola, sólo te aviso que borré el artículo es:AvF y la consulta de borrado que iniciaste ya que no era necesaria. Saludos.--Fito 23:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dlyons493Bot

Hi Anagnorisis, Thanks for your support. I'm writing to you here because it will be far easier to have this conversation in your good English than in my beginners Spanish. I'm curious as to the depth of feeling a simple Bot has stirred up in the community, with some administrators going to considerable lengths to deny a request for a very limted use of a Bot. Have you any background or is there anything I could read on es.wiki about the possible reasons? I'm also curious as to the reason for the size of es.wiki - I'd have expected it to have more articles given the World importance of Spanish. Is that in any way related to the community's apparent aversion to Bots? Regards, Dlyons493 Talk 21:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reply. What I did was start with data files that can be downloaded from INSEE and loaded those into a local Oracle database I set up on my laptop. I then wrote a Java program to format that data into article stubs. For uploading the resulting stubs, I'm just using the standard pywiki framework. So I'd say myself a program wrote the code and all the bot does is upload it. Dlyons493 Talk

Hi, We're all in Dublin at present, but they're hoping to hold the wedding in Venezuela next year. She passed through Thailand a few weeks before the tsunami en route to Australia and loved it - although a week as a tourist would be very different to spending 6 months of the year there. The fiance is from Merida and a son of mine has been there on a trekking holiday.

P.S. Your page header is very close to the Irish poet Yeats - The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. Dlyons493 Talk 14:14, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MoS says "no" to quotes in italics

Quotations There is normally no need to put quotations in italics unless the material would otherwise call for italics (emphasis, use of non-English words, etc.). Indicate whether using the italics in the original text or whether they were added later. For example: "Now cracks a noble heart. Good night sweet prince: And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!"(emphasis added) Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake in Discussion page of Bhumibol Adulyadej article?

Did you make a mistake in your latest edits to the Bhumibol Adulyadej Discussion page? You seem to have re-copied the text of our discussion 4-5 times. 71.146.27.255 05:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saludos a un exiliado

Hola, Anagnorisis. ¿El baneo te afecta también en la wiki inglesa?.

[edit] Tómatelo como unas vacaciones

. ¡Y por favor no nos anbandones!. Si dejamos la wiki castellana en manos de chequistas y de obtusos las cosas van a ir mucho peor. Saludos. Randroide 16:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hola, Anagnorisis. Me dejas de piedra con la falta de "control sobre los que controlan" de la wiki castellana. Te deseo suerte en el "impeachment" contra Taichi. No es sólo el "tema Taichi", podrías sentar un precedente que podría empezar a "ventilar" la wikipedia castellana, que huele a podrido en muchos aspectos. Lo de la "democracia" en la wikipedia es, afortunadamente, algo relativo. En última instancia quien decide es Jimmy Wales, en cuyo criterio tengo confianza (es admirador de Ayn Rand. Cuenta conmigo si me necesitas para algo. Un saludo.

Hola, Anagnorisis. Nuevo graaaaaaaaan follón. Harto de la censura en la wiki castellana en el artículo w:es:Atentados del 11 de marzo de 2004 (ver además la discusión) emigré a la wiki en inglés para aportar esto.

...lo cual provocó esto otro.

Resultado: Mira lo que me dejó escrito un bibliotecario de la Wiki castellana.

Soy una persona muy paciente, porque mentalmente ya tengo asumido que he nacido en el siglo equivocado (no sé todavía si soy del siglo XXII o del XXX).

...pero como alguien se atreva a pisar mis derechos, que se prepare. Voy a por él con todas las consecuencias. Un saludo Randroide 14:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hola, Anagnorisis.

Escribiste:

La verdad que cansa ... al fin y al cabo, para que darse mala vida. Tenemos la ventaja de hablar bien ingles, asi que para que perder tiempo peleando en una wiki menos rica y con tan solo una 10% del contenido de otra mucho mas amplia. Con el tiempo, o se acomoda o empeora mas; lo uncio que hay que hacer es esperar ... para que desgastarnos?

Discrepo parcialmente contigo. Una cosa son las chorradas como que Stalin o Castro no sean calificados como dictadores, pero Franco y Pinochet sí, o que a mí Petronas me quiera borrar mi plantilla Proarmas "porque incita a la violencia" (...y Taragüi con su "broma" de la KGB).

Otra cosa es que se quieran destruir contenidos por puro ánimo censor y para intentar (en mi caso futilmente) que nos hartemos y nos marchemos.

En mi caso lo único que han conseguido con la página del 11-M: De no ser por el biblio oficialista que bloqueó la página, no me hubiese molestado en poner la "Somoking gun" en la versión en inglés.

La wiki en castellano va a ir cada vez peor, más sectaria y más "Far West". ¿A ti te han bloqueado por eso?. Mira la ristra de cosas que me han llamado a mí sin la menos intervención bibliotecaria.

A mí me jode por un motivo: El mundo castellano parlante necesita mucho más d ela wikipedia que el angloparlante.

¿La solución?. Saltarse los cauces creados, ya que esto no son casos concretos, sino una corrupción sistémica, y hablar con Jimbo Wales (que además es seguidor de Ayn Rand) y explicarle lo que está pasando en la wiki en castellano, con unos buenos enlaces de actuaciones de bibliotecarios en la wiki castellana traducidos al inglés. Y después proponerle una alternativa. Se me ocurren varias ideas para esa alternativa. Te las detallo para que me digas a ver que te parece y para que "muevas" la idea entre otros exiliados, si te gusta:

• Que se detalle minuciosamente qué se puede y no se puede hacer, como usuario y como bibliotecario, con una buena casuística pormenorizada y una tabla de castigos clara para los infractores...las normas ahora son tan genéricas que estan abirtas a interpretaciones diametralmente opuestas, además de que no se tienen en cuenta los precedentes en las "decisiones judicailes"...esto tienen que acabar. Si se bloquea al ususario A por llamar "bestia" al usuario B, también se ha de bloquear a B por llamar "animal" a C.
• Que empleados (con uno o dos bastaría) de Jimbo "patrullen" las actuaciones bibliotecarias en la wiki castellana y destituyan irreversiblemente al bibliotecario que cumpla faltas graves.
• Que la condición de bibliotecario se asuma automáticamente pasado un número de ediciones....y se pierda irreversiblemente en caso de faltas graves. Un policía que se emborracha y empieza a pegar tiros en un supermercado es aparatado del servicio con armas de forma irreversible, ¿verdad?.

...esto es una institución privada, lo que pasa es que es tan grande que el dueño no está al tanto de todo. Si Jimbo se entera de esto, con un buen trabajo de presentación, las cosas mejorarían mucho en la wiki en castellano.

Wikipedia NO es una democracia...Wikipedia es una monarquía constitucional (de ciudadanía optativa, como debe ser). El Rey es Jimbo, pero el pais es tan grande que no se enetera de todo lo que pasa en sus dominios, y menos aún en esa remota y pobre provincia llamada "Wikipedia en castellano". ¿Qué pasaría si un grupo de caballeros exiliados de esa provincia informase al rey de lo que está sucediendo?...las normas de la wikipedia dejan muy claro que Jimbo tiene la última palabra en todo, como si quiere cerrar el invento y dedicarlo a alojar películas de El Gordo y El Flaco. No hay apelación a sus decisiones. Él es el rey, el jefe de las Fuerzas Armadas y el Tribunal Supremo, todo en uno.

Yo, básicamente, había terminado ya mis contribuciones y quería retirarme a tareas de mantenimiento y a detalles.

El comportamiento de los oficialistas de los atentados del 11-M me ha llevado a meterme en unos líos que ni me imaginaba, compilando dossiers a partir del (autocontradictorio) Sumario judicial y, al final, escribiendo secciones enteras de la wiki en inglés (jamás me hubiese atrevido sin el espoleado d elos censores d ela wiki castellana, pues sé que mi inglés tienen defectos).

Si tocan las narices a mi obra en la wiki castellana, me meteré en el lío de Jimbo. No faltaba más...de hecho ya he trabajado más en el 11-M (como mera reacción al comportamiento impresentable de los oficialistas) de lo que tendría que trabajar para realizar ese proyecto.

¿Qué te ha parecido el sockpuppeting con ánimo destructor de w:es:Usuario:PepeRetorta?. ESte sockpuppet intentó borrar la página sobre disidencias del SIDA. En la wiki en inglés esa cuenta estaría ya bloqueada, y las I.P.s investigadas, porque es un sockpuppet de manual. Pierde el tiempo, porque tengo copias de la información, la página tiene equivalente en muchos otros idiomas y porque está hasta los topes de referencias (gracias a ti y a ivn.), pero también me hace perder a mí mi tiempo. ¿Crees que esto es casual?. Yo no lo creo.

Oye. Una pregunta un observador externo. (Esto no empieza a parecer un poquito Cantuinfleshco (ups, typo)?. ¿Me está queriendo hacer la cama alguien malevolente?...mira los mensajes de las páginas de usuario y dime (discretamente) qué opinas.Randroide 09:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed in the Hugo Chávez article

I'm contacting you because of some issues with the Hugo Chávez article. I visit the entry regularly, but when I saw it yesterday there were a clean-up and neutrality tags at the top. I did a quick check and it has a much lower quality than when it got its FA status last year. I remember you for doing a lot of work on it. Since you seem like and expert on this topic, could you go and check it. I've already posted some of my concerns at the bottom of the talk page, but a lot of work is needed to save this article and we need your help. Otherwise I will have to candidate it for FA removal, and someone could probably do it earlier if this article does not improve quickly. Thank you. --Enano275 21:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SIDA

Anagnorisis, por favor, a pesar de que tu intención es buena, no reviertas "por si acaso" el artículo w:es:Científicos disidentes sobre la hipótesis que correlaciona VIH con SIDA, el que viene pidiendo citas no es el troll que pensé en un primer momento que era (aunque a veces lo parezca).

Los que piden citas tienen razón en algunas de sus afirmaciones, así que me pongo a trabajar para mejorar el artículo y hacerlo más sólido y creíble.

Si tú reviertes "por si acaso", lo que puede pasar es que te bloqueen a ti y al artículo.

Un saludo.Randroide 09:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Perdona, Anagnorisis, si te he ofendido. Te pido disculpas de corazón...pero lo hice por pura discreción. Las paredes tienen oídos. Me entiendes, ¿verdad?. Prefiero mantener las cosas lo más separadas posible...el no haberlo hecho así me ha atraido algunos problemas. Ya no más. Un saludo.Randroide 16:15, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caballeros blancos van a hablar con Jimbo

Escribiste:

no creo la solucion valga la pena que nos demos mala vida.Yo prefiero ser hedonista y comodo

Estas en un error, Anagnorisis. Si no luchas contra las ideas incorrectas, al final vienen a buscarte a tu casa (metafórica o literalmente). Mira el caso de Venezuela.

Nos lo ha enseñado Ayn Rand: El mal triunfa sólo por "default", si el bien no le hace frente.

Todas las batallas planteadas contra el mal merecen la pena, aunque uno se deje la vida o la hacienda en ellas. Ante eso, ¿qué es dedicar unos pocos meses de la vida de uno a una empresa tal como la de que la Wikipedia en castellano cumpla sus propias normas?.

Yo me veo como Luke Skywalker diciéndole a Han Solo que si no se enfrenta a El Imperio, este terminará por engullir hasta el último planeta libre de la galaxia.

Que La Fuerza nos acompañe. ¡Allá vamos, Estrella de la Muerte!. Sin miedo, el cobarde muere mil veces en su mente, el valiente sólo muere una vez.

...la cuestión es que hay otras Estrellas de la Muerte extrawikipédicas que reclaman mi atención de forma muy intensa...por eso no voy adelante con mi proyecto de prepara un dossier con todas las de la ley para Jimbo. Yo, básicamente, ya he eportado todo lo que quería aportar a la Wikipedia. Los que vengan por detrás, que arreen.

Pero si me tocan las narices, reprogramo el hipersalto de mi X-Wing para ir a hablar con el maestro Obi-Jimbo-Wales, y hacerle saber lo que está pasando en el polvoriento y oprimido planeta de la Wikipedia en castellano.

Un saludo.Randroide 09:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chavista

I intended to leave you a message, but feared you had given up on the project. Sandy 03:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

A new editor walked into the minefield, unaware. Do you have any opinon on this? Sandy 15:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

If you don't put in a vote on the talk page, JRSP, SuperFlanker and K4zem will bury the article, and later, the material, claiming "irrelevance". Sandy 15:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Chavista has been redirected to Chavismo, leaving behind your "pejorative" statement. [3] Sandy 15:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I expanded Chavismo, but I was unable to locate anything positive to say about it from reliable sources. I included your "pejorative" sentence there, so a discussion of the redirect would now be more appropriate. Zleitzen is trying to be a helpful editor, and based the redirect on other precedents (I believe): I don't believe he intended to slight anyone's efforts. Sandy 17:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I moved the "pejorative" statement to Chavismo. Zleitzen points out that Wiki policy is to redirect articles about adherents to the article about the philosophy, so perhaps now that the chavismo article is complete, the redirect may be better policy. I'm not sure of the precedent, though. Sandy 22:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey there: I've been spending a lot of time lately in the news archives at my library, and the word the English-speaking media is using most often is Chavezismo. It also turns up in the English version of El Universal. I can give you some samples later (on another computer), but I think it's important to leave that in, as that is the keyword that turns up items on English-speaking news searches. Back later with some samples. BTW, I don't see much hope lately of ever NPOVing or improving the Chavez articles: editors would rather argue and delete than fix and write. Sandy 15:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, back with some examples -- actually, the word being used in English is "Chavezism".

Samples from El Universal (there are many more - you can verify on their English section search engine): [4] [5] [6] [7]

Google Chavezism - 559 results Sandy 17:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Walking into the minefield

I certainly seem to have stumbled across an ongoing series of Venezuela-related edit wars. I would urge you to oppose to the merger of the Venezuelan-Israeli relations page. I will try to find more information throughout today. In the event that I, along with other editors are unable to find long term information about Venezuelan-Israeli ties, this should be portrayed as a diplomatic dispute. Respectfully, Republitarian 16:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. The ties with Hugo havent all been bad during his rule. See [8]. The relationship is more than just this one incident, which I think some users may fail to realize, and I can see how they would with the lack of available resources. Respectfully, Republitarian 18:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Was Pedro Carmona president? Some editors would like to remove all mention of him as President from the lists and templates on Wiki. Sandy 21:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I left you another question there (Talk:Pedro Carmona). If I could get some of these deletionist editors to slow down and talk about things, editing would be much more pleasant :-) Talk on List of Presidents of Venezuela about Lepage: I thought you might have some of the historical context, since you were involved in some of Saravask's work ? Sandy 01:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Republitarian finished his work at Venezuelan-Israeli relations, and I placed a long list of items needing attention on Talk:Venezuelan-Israeli relations. If you are able to shed any light, please do ! Sandy 17:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge iniative

The vote is 6 against merging and 5 for merging. Back on August 11 you weren't sure of which way you would vote. I've expanded it as much as I can so this is it until something momentous happens. The last three votes have all been against merging. Please vote (oppose) now. Respectfully, Republitarian 18:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the oppose vote. Your support in this matter is valued. Respectfully, Republitarian 03:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United States-Venezuela relations

I think you may be interested in United States-Venezuela relations. It's in a very poor and largely neglected state. Respectfully, Republitarian 14:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Chavismo-Bolivarianism

In this edit summary[9] you stated that "mergers should be discussed first". As you can notice in Talk:Bolivarianism#Merge proposal the merge was proposed on 14 November 3 November. Would you please explain in Talk:Bolivarianism#Merge proposal why you oppose the merger? Thanks. JRSP 21:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Please check WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY, we are not just voting but discussing about the merger. Could you explain at Talk:Bolivarianism#Merge proposal your reasons for opposing the merger? JRSP 04:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hola

Hola, soy Visitante (otra vez, pero con el nick que usó aquí, que es el de User:Gimferrer. ¿Podrías enviarme un correo a la dirección visitantexiliado@yahoo.es? Seguramente te interese lo que tengo que contarte. --Gimferrer 11:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ya me han bloqueado!

Hola, Anagnorisis.

Ya me han bloqueado (por tres días) en es:Wiki.

Si quieres visita mi página de usuario (en esta Wikipedia) para ver el motivo. Es que no aguantan ni una broma oye... eso sí, la broma del KGB de Taragüi y la bandera de un pais que no existe (página del bloqueador de Boston) no tienen ningún problema.

En es:Wikipedia no hay "seguridad jurídica" de ningún tipo. Todo es arbitrario. Como en el mundo real, la gente "vota con los pies", y el proceso va a peor y a peor: Sólo los más sectarios se quedan.

Yo ya estoy comodísimo en en:Wikipedia, donde trabajo con libertad, y donde los administradores no te persiguen por cómo piensas. Esto empieza a parecer Florida.

Y la es:Wikipedia empieza a parecer Cuba... ya tiene ya menos artículos que la Wikipedia en Holandés, Sueco o Polaco. Y lo más gordo: A los de la Stasi o la KGB Wikipédica seguramente esto les importe un pimiento, lo mismo que a Castro le da lo mismo que los cubanos de a pie pasen hambre: Pureza ideológica ante todo.

En fin: No hay más que ver cómo está el mundo hispano parlante y cómo está el mundo angloparlante. No hemos hecho más que crear una imagen especular del mundo real en las distintas Wikipedias.

Propuesta de cajetín para cubanos en Florida (la foto se puede croppear y tal):

...y en User talk:Randroide/Socialist Republic of the Wikipedia in Spanish User talk:Randroide/Abuse allegations in the Wikipedia in Spanish vamos haciendo un dossier con abusos, que ya he visto varios en circulación.

Ya es hora de empezar a preparar nuestro "caso", y si algún día se hace necesario, lo presentamos ante el gran jefe.

Pero, ¿se merecen los demás hispanoparlantes que nos tomemos este trabajo por ellos?. Me temo que no. Pero es buena idea ir acumulando un dossier, por si algún día hace falta.

¿Contestaste a Gimferrer?. A mí me dejó el mismo mensaje, pero no le contesté porque me parece raro que no nos explique de qué se trata mediante el "E-mail this user", y yo no mando E-mails personales ni al mismísimo Jimbo Wales.

Un saludo.Randroide 11:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Un saludo!

Sabía que había terminado vd. mal por allá pero no que se recluyó por aquí. Me he dado cuenta con todo lo sucedido a Randroide, de lo que estoy abochornado. [10] Se les nota las ganas que le tenían. Es vergonzoso lo que allí sucede. Yo no huyo de la "isla" porque tengo familia (léase... "no sé inglés") y esperanza. Siento muchísimo que la Wikipedia en español haya perdido dos personas analíticas como vd. y Randroide. Un saludo. --Iqlia 21:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Le he escrito donde me dijo. Un saludo. --Iqlia 22:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Cierto. ¿Sabías que según llegué a Wiki en español coloqué un tremendo cuadro de S (una de mis aficiones) y fue Dodo el que me lo eliminó sin más?. Lo conozco bien. Odia las plantillas y hemos chocado wikipédicamente en varias ocasiones. Por cierto, no creo que surta efecto pero me he dirigido a Petronas dándole mi opinión sobre el caso Randroide, sobre tu caso y sobre los que veo a cada momento. De tu discusión con Taichi en el apellido aquel he visto que se han cargado al autor del artículo y a otro que lo defendía. Asusta ver lo que sucede allí. ¿No hay bibliotecarios a los que alarme esta situación?. Un saludo. --Iqlia 00:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Randroide: Better userbox

I created this userbox. The GDR joke in my page it is not very good for a userbox, because you can not explain a complex satire in a userbox.

Protest userboxes should be short and clear-cut. I choose an inverted Cervantes in the left and a hammer and sickle in the right. Other options could be an inverted "ñ" or the hammer and the sickle superimposed over Cervantes. Any ideas?.

This userbox is punchier: More shocking (inverted images catch the eye) for the occasional viewer and goes to the point (hammer and sickle) in a more efficient manner. I suggest you to change the old for the new.

"Popular" is better than "Socialist", because es:Wiki admins use the catchphrase themselves [11].

I will polish the code next week. This is great fun!. Thank you Petronas! (the guy who blocked me).

You wrote:

What I find particularly interesting in that comment is how they say you are a danger (danger to what?

Irony ON

Danger to the whole humankind, Anagnorisis, because, you know?...

• ...Randroide is Maaaaaaaad [12].

• ...Randroide has "some paranoid threats" [13].

• ...Randroide should be "blocked forever" [14] and, probably, caged into some JamesBondesque ultra high-security institution, just to be studied by scientists.

Irony OFF

This "mad" personal attack against me in his user page does not prevent this same user to write this:

Creo que con esto aprenderá que su página de usuario no es un santuario al margen de la ley. [15]

I am wondering if this people really does not see their own contradictions. They fail to integrate knowledge, so maybe they really do not "see" their own flagrant contradictions. Maybe they are chemically pure non-integrators.

Do you disagree with them when they say that I am smart?. I understand you. Whe spoke about this months ago: Your role model is Han Solo, mine is Luke Skywalker, and, as Princess Leia said (which picture?): "Han, si sigues siempre huyendo del Imperio, al final no habrá sitio donde esconderse de él"...or something to that effect.

See you Randroide 10:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Han Solo al habla (Randroide)

Je,je. Pues sí, empiezo a sonar como Han Solo. ¿Cuál es el motivo?. Cosas como esta [16]. No, no es un link casual. Analiza por favor a fondo quién escribe y qué escribe.

Un par de comentarios míos:

• La apelación a la "tradición" es un horror ético. De acuerdo con la "tradición" podemos volver a reinstituir la esclavitud, ya que esta es mucho más "tradicional" que su prohibición.
• ...and deep and subtle meaning. Lo último que uno quiere en un código de conducta es "profundo y sutil significado". Lo que uno quiere, antes bien, es normas claras y explícitas sobre qué se puede hacer y qué no se puede hacer.
  • A mí no me gustaría vivir en un pais cuyas leyes tuviesen deep and subtle meaning, ya que nunca podría saber qué derechos tengo realmente o si estoy infringiendo derechos de los demás que desconozco. Si hace falta un cónclave de cabalistas para interpretar las leyes, malas leyes son esas.
  • Wikipedia es un "pais" virtual, cuyo dueño dice que las normas que lo gobiernan tienen deep and subtle meaning...y no se molesta en aclarar a todos cuál es ese "meaning". ¿Qué te parece?.

Wikipedia no es "la Galaxia". Wikipedia es un club privado en el que estamos porque nos da la real gana. Si no nos gusta el ambiente del club, lo que tenemos que hacer es marcharnos, o ir al club a hacer sólo a lo estrictamente necesario.

Me temo que el ambiente en los peores sectores del club no molesta al dueño en demasía.

En fin: Que tú tenías razón y yo estaba equivocado. Para colmo, Han Solo es el que al final se lleva a la chica.

Concluyendo: ¡¡¡Chewbacca....conecta el hiperespacio, nos largamos!!!

Yo ya sólo voy a dejar una minúscula guarnición personal en el planeta Wikipedia, que, me temo, se esta revelando como un sitio tan poco de recomendar como el puerto espacial de Mos Eisly.

Un saludo Randroide 13:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)