Talk:Alton Brown

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Contents 1 MacWorld Article 2 Sourcing 3 Motorcycle 4 JKR, Fred the monkey and Cubetoons 5 Left or Right-Handed?

[edit] MacWorld Article

The MacWorld article was listed in the external links section, and had language in the article body which referred to the article, but did not link. An anonymous editor made the word "article" in the text link. Flamurai (talk • contribs) reverted, pointing out that it was already linked. I have re-reverted for the following two reasons:

1. I'm not aware of any rule against linking twice to the same thing in the same article. In fact, the guidelines I've seen suggest that you do link a second time when the second link is some distance from the first.
2. I myself, upon first reading that text, went off to Google in search of the mentioned article, and only when I had read it and returned to Wikipedia did I notice the external link. I think when you refer to an external source, it makes perfect sense to link to the external source. It's much more user friendly.

--TreyHarris 21:06, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

1. If you want to get picky, he didn't write the article in Macworld either - will make the change after I register for an account!
2. I, like TreyHarris, googled for the article - didn't see it in the external links which is why I added the link - will change that back when I am no longer anonymous as well!

You're applying internal link policy to external links. They're two totally different things. See Wikipedia:External links, specifically the section "How to link". Note that there is no mention of inline external links. It's customary to pull all external links to the end of the article, not to include inline external links in the article text. – flamurai (t) 23:08, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not certain I'm entirely tuned in to the discussion, but I keep seeing "not sourced" reverts, so I've sourced it (admitedly, too much). If someone else wants to clean up the sources, I encourage you to do so (or for that matter, though I hesitate to mention it, clean up potential copyvio that I haven't fully looked into). It's a start. — Chris ( t c ) — 10:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

All these additions need to be POV and sourced, especially if it is something like he is well known for so and so by so and so. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 03:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motorcycle

Aplogies, I'm not a regular here, but I wanted to point out a probable inaccuracy. http://www.altonbrown.com/adventure/knowledge/motogear.html claims he's got a 2005 BMW 1200RT (the mention appears in an image, not in the text). This conflicts with the wiki page which says it's a BMW R1100RT. 216.231.3.166 19:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I checked out www.bmwmotorcycles.com (which presumably has 2006 model names) and some motorcycle review sites (for 2005 models) and the most accurate description of his bike is "2005 BMW R 1200 RT" with spaces around the 1200 being consistent with BMW's usage. I'll make the change. 216.231.3.166 17:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Made the edit as per immed. above. There is no wiki page for the R1200RT so I made it not a link. The link to the motorcycle picture was for an older model so I just pointed it at the picture of Brown's actual bike on his site. That's all for now. 216.231.3.166 18:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JKR, Fred the monkey and Cubetoons

I've moved the info about JKR and Cubetoons to a new "In popular culture" section. I'm not sure they're notable enough (evidenced by my two reversions of it yesterday), but after Omallystwin made the change five times in 24 hours, I dug further (instead of reporting it as WP:3RR) and found that Cubetoons may, perhaps, have a slim chance of being notable enough. It does have a wiki article (although JKR isn't relevant, and Fred the monkey probably should be a candidate for deletion). Thoughts? Travisl 14:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

i belive that both fredthemonkey and omallystwin are both more than notable as they both have a fan base in the millions, fredthemonkey should be even more notable than cubetoons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omallystwin (talk • contribs).

The original entry needs to be pruned to meet the requirements presented by WP:V and WP:LINK. There has been no evidence that JKR is famous (no Wikipedia article and a Google search for him is flooded by references to J. K. Rowling) and with an Alexa rating of over 1,900,000 it is unlikely that Fred the Monkey would survive an AfD, let alone be considered notable. --Allen3 ^talk 15:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Does the article really benefit from the fact that JKR is an Alton Brown fan? Hypothetically, if Tom Cruise mentioned that he liked the show, would that be significant enough to include in the article? I'm OK with whatever consensus we reach -- I could go either way -- but at this point I'm leaning towards removing it, per the Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles guideline. Travisl 16:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Just because the article on cubetoons is (barely) notable doesn't mean that it's notable that JKR is an Alton Brown fan. Looks like all but one editor agree that it's dubious at best, so I took it out. Kafziel ^Talk 15:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

im sure alton would be more than happy to know that someone who themselves has a fan base in the millions (jkr) is a fan of alton. this will keep getting reposted as i belive that is is more than noteworthy. please stop trying to delete this post. also i am going to get round to making a fred the monkey wiki as you "so called experts" deleted the last one. go to fredthemonkey.com and check it out yourself and stop being so arrogant.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omallystwin (talk • contribs) 20:48, October 24, 2006 (UTC) (UTC)

You appear to be missing the point of the above conversation. The suitability of the addition is based on the question of how important is JKR and can this importance be verified via reliable sources. In addition, Wikipedia policy requires the person wishing to add material be the one to furnish the citations to prove verifiability. Without the needed citations, there is no way to tell JKR from any other fan and the addition is either giving undue weight to a non-notable fan or serving as a means of promotion for JKR's websites. --Allen3 ^talk 21:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

regardless off that it is still a valid point and it is not promoting fredthemonkey, it is pointing out the fact that alton brown has influenced a lot of people including internet celebs.this is a positive thing so stop deleting it.

The consensus has convinced me. The fact that someone famous likes Alton Brown doesn't make it important enough to include the fact that they like Alton Brown. Let the continued reversions of Omallystwin's edits continue. Travisl

stuff the consensus, ill keep reposting it and so will all my friends, your all arogant and have no wider view other than your own. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omallystwin (talk • contribs) 22:40, October 25, 2006 (UTC) (UTC)

Omallystwin: I'm offering a trim-down on the JKR addition as a comprimise. Please end this pointless arguing and reverting ... it is making you look like a troll, or somoone trying to promote a barely notable web-comic. BigFatDave 17:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks like, in accordance with WP:DE, we've gone through the steps of

1. Reverting

2. Reverting and asking for discussion and sources on this page

3. Continued to attempt to engage in dialog, referring to WP:V, WP:LINK, WP:AVTRIV, WP:CITE, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOT.

I think this puts us at step 4, Request an WP:RFC or other impartial dispute resolution. Can someone who knows this better than I do get this ball rolling? Travisl 22:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• An RFC has been opened at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Omallystwin and is awaiting certification. --Allen3 ^talk 12:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Left or Right-Handed?

As is currently cited, Alton's plug for his knifes[1] does indicate that he's left-handed. However in the Good Eats episode "Soup's On", Alton is showing his "nephew", Elton, how to use a knife and he states "As you approach the board, we will take whichever hand we would ordinarily write with—mines the right, yours is the right—and we pick up the knife" and clearly holds up his right hand.[2]. Can anyone confirm which is correct? ShortBus 22:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe he's left-handed, but uses his right when cutting. Lefties using their right hands like that is unusual, but not uncommon. Hey, check out the pic at the top of that page. If that's a pic of him cutting (and it probably is), he's using his right hand to hold the knife. I don't know why the plug seems to indicate he uses his left hand to cut, though. Could be an error. Someone might have to email him about that. Jinxmchue 07:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)