Talk:Ali Khamenei

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[edit] Vandalism

Someone is vandalizing the picture, and someone else is replacing the cartoon with a supersized picture. I'm still a newbie when it comes to editing pictures, but I'll try to sort it out. Zora 23:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Khomeini

I think his last name is spelled wrong, it should be خمینی right? Vpendse 03:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

NO, khomeini is another Ayatollah, precedent to Khamenei. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.106.136 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC).
Actually I think it should be Kha.me.neh.ei خامنه‌ای
Khameneh (خامنه) is a town in Iran and the "ei ‌ای" at the end in farsi indicates that a person is from that town. Kiumars 12:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abadan crisis

Ideleted some of the section about Abadan crisis and Mosaddegh, Khamanei was a youngster at that time and was not involved in politics at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.106.136 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC).

[edit] NPOV dispute

[edit] Unreadable, unsigned nonsense

who says the allegations are false?

You wrote: "In recent years, there have been false allegations by the United States and Israel that he has been supporting a covert nuclear weapons development project in Iran as a response to the nuclear weapons possessed by Israel and the United States." The word "false" is not a fact and instead betrays the author's bias regarding the issue. Also, this page is extremely lacking for the leader of such a controversial government who has been in office since the 1980s. I'm wondering what was left out and why. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.129.20.101 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

I'm sorry, but this article is basically a bull-shit fluff piece on Khamenei. See the aforementioned nuclear claims. The previous paragraph in the article is blatantly POV. There is no criticism whatsoever of the leader of a nation which routinely persecutes its religious minorities (see Bahai for examples). Quite frankly, this article needs a complete rewrite, and someone who has the time to watch over it and make sure that it doesn't turn into this kind of absolute crap again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.116.28.180 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC).
Why don't you make a page like you did for Ahmadinejad - "Controversies surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" If you want to grind your ax - that would be an appropriate place! And please, take your arrogance with you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.214.51.9 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC).
I have changed the page in several occasions but someone keep writting crap like "Great leader, martyr...blah blah blah"; Fascist Islamic idiots. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dj skazi (talk • contribs) 19:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC).
Cite your sources. --M@rēino 20:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real stuff

My last revert was made in haste on my part. I misread it as though the article had been reverted to the previous "managed Iran's afairs with great skill" instead of to "Managed Irans affairs", which is certainly not POV. However, the current dispute between Khamanei's government and International community with respect to nuclear proliferation should be at least aknowledged. Having the section on his fatwa against nuvlear weapons and not the controversy is a complete non-sequitor. It should also be noted that the text of the fatwa has not been released. Someone reading the article without that paragraph would go away believing Khamanei was a completely uncontroversial ruler of Iran. That is far from the truth. It would be like an article on Bush's presidency without mention of the Iraq War. Clearly absurd. Thus the omision is POV 129.116.28.180 23:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the article, and there's already some material about his connection to the nuclear issue (without sources). I'm not sure if more could be said. There's very little known about the inside politics of Iran. There's also no evidence that Khamenei is behind the nuclear program. Most believe it's former president Rafsanjani. But if you want to add new information to the article, you can do that - just cite your sources. Otherwise I'd have to take down the POV tag. AucamanTalk 01:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Re: .. the text of the fatwa has not been released.
Fatwa does not need to be in writing! He said it on the TV and that is enough and recorded.
Kiumars 12:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

>> AucamanTalk; What the hell? "You" have been vandalizing Wikipedia not me. Block me i don't care but before that i need to know what part of my article was wrong or better say "You" didn't like? You obviously have no clue whatsoever about what is going on inside Iran or who is in charge of nuclear research. How many articles do i have to show you in which, clearly indicate the Real hands behind the nuclear project in Iran? Beside, what is said about Khamenei is pure propaganda (even a kid can understand that)

also it seems you don't care if fake Information is replaced with real one here in WikiPedia.

One more question and i know it will definitely make problems for me but i have to know, Does "Somebody" pay you to keep that specific article nice and clean? Just wondering. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dj skazi (talk • contribs) 07:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC).

Well, let's look at some of your edits:
  • This : Wells this is clear nonsense. Do you have proof for any of these claims?
  • This : Again, nonsense. If he had issued such a Fatwa we would know about it by now.
Also, you're supposed to sign your posts. Now only do you not sign them, you have removed your forced signiture once.
But it seems like you're a reasonable person. I encourage you to make good edits. See Wikipedia:sign your posts and Wikipedia:Civility. When adding new information, you need to provide evidence for you claims. And no, I did not revert your edits. See Wikipedia:Assume good faith. AucamanTalk 09:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update

This is the sentence under question:

"In recent years, there have been strong allegations by the United States and IAEA that he has been supporting a covert nuclear weapons development project in Iran."

No sources were provided, so I'm going to take this out. Most people don't accuse Khamenei as a person of trying to build nuclear weapons. I'm also taking off the NPOV tag since the discussion were not pursuit. AucamanTalk 06:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace
Imam Khamenei (HA) was not born in East Azerbaijan. He was born in Mashhad according to his official biographies. I've heard he's Azeri, but not from offical sources.
"On 18th April 1939, a few months before the outbreak of World War II, the future leader of Islamic Iran was born in the holy city of Mashhad, Khorasan."
http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/Biography/index.jsp
رهبر عاليقدر حضرت آيت الله سيد على خامنه‌ای فرزند مرحوم حجت الاسلام والمسلمين حاج سيد جواد حسينى خامنه‌ای ، در روز 24 تيرماه 1318 برابر با 28 صفر 1358 قمرى در مشهد مقدس چشم به دنيا گشود
http://www.khamenei.ir/FA/Biography/index.jsp
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ali Mahdi (talk • contribs) 01:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC).
Fixed. AucamanTalk 02:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Representative of IMAM MAHDI(as)

SALAM ALEIKUM! Wilayate Faqih Ayatollah Khamenei is the representative of IMAM MAHDI (May ALLAH fasten his return) he is the only true Muslim leader. Every real MOMIN must support him and pray for him. HEZBE FEQAT HEZBE ALI, RAHBARE FEQAT SAYEDE ALI! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.170.138.234 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC).

[edit] He Represents Islam today

Ayatollah Khamenei is a leader of MOMININ durring the absence of IMAM MAHDI (May ALLAH fasten his return) May ALLAH grant him health. All who oppose the rule of Wilayate Faqih should better study authentic Islamic sources and not listen to propoganda on CNN. Most Iranian support Islamic system, the election of Ahmedinejad prooves it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.123.220.62 (talk • contribs) 10:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC).

  • The Islamic regime machine guns make things right? He is the leader by sheer force.--Patchouli 03:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Right hand

I removed the phrase "losing his right hand" here at [1] - in the picture, I can see both hands. Could someone clarify what this was intended to mean? --HappyCamper 00:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

His arm was actually badly damaged in the blast and the nerve system in his arm was destroyed. He cannot move his arm and hand. Kiumars 13:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] taking out the "ethnic azeri" part

i am taking out the part that says he was an ethnic azeri. although it is true, it is uneccessary, because at the end of the day he is iranian. mossadegh and others are also listed as iranians. their ethnic background means nothing, both in history and in reality. khamenei has pointed out many times that he is iranian and iranian only. if someone were to write my biography, i would also want it to be iranian, and not persian, because i am iranian and only iranian. i am not doing this for political reasons, i am doing this because i feel that his nationality is the only thing that matters and same goes for all other people in modern times.

for example, bill clinton's article doesnt say "ethnic englishman" and queen elizabeths article doesnt say "ethnic norman" etc....Iranian Patriot 02:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess I see what you're saying. I'll move the info to "Early live". —Khoikhoi 02:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, its much better now.Iranian Patriot 03:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
What is the point in these three references? Born to an Azeri[1] [2] [3] family…
Is there any correlation between him being born to Azeri parents and the Iran & the Rep of Azerbaijan relations? Are we politicizing something? Is that what wiki stands for? Kiumars 13:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] speclated?

not sure what is trying to be put across here

Although Khamenei wields the greatest religious and political power of anyone in Iran, he is speclated by the Assembly of Experts which is itself elected by the people.

--Xorkl000 14:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I cannot even find “speclated” in the oxford dictionary! Is that an English word? Kiumars 13:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
"Speclated" was most likely intended to be "speculated", though it doesn't quite make sense in context. Accordingly, I replaced it with "elected." Thomas Facchine 01:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources backing anti-semetic allegations

Though I don't necessarily doubt what is claimed, there is no conclusive source behind the claim: "On the 2000 al-Quds Day Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for the destruction of Israel, as Khomeini had done before.[1]:

The note leads to a CNN article on New Years' celebrations. For such serious claims against two high-ranking leaders, I would hope that someone could at least come up with a decent source. If I find one, I'll edit.

Thomas Facchine 01:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translations of Qutb

Anyone out there with information on his translations of Qutb into Farsi? Links to or excerpts of the translations? Thanks. Adam Holland 20:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motanzeri

I removed the following line.

"Montazeri's words were so outrageous that even the reformist president of the time Khatami did not declare any response or attention to them."

Khatami's lack of response to Montazeri's comments might be relevant, but the claim that the words were "outrageous" is certainly not a neutral point of view... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.129.43.187 (talk • contribs) 05:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC).

[edit] What "gangland-style murders"?

I removed this paragraph fragment which followed the first sentence in the "Ali Khamenei and violation of Human rights" section:

"Presiding Judge Frithjof Kubsch said the men had no personal motive but were following orders. Without naming names, Kubsch said the gangland-style murders had been ordered by Iran's Committee for Special Operations, to which Iran's president and spiritual leader belonged. Prosecutors had contended that Iran's powerful spiritual leader, , and Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani had personally ordered the killings."

There is no previous mention of murders, men with motives, etc. The double comma was as you see it also. Perhaps if I were to search back I would find the original version of this paragraph which may have been significant and may have been shredded by someone who disagreed with it, but in any case it is unintelligible as it stands. Blanchette 03:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedia format?

In the first paragraph: He is part of the United States target for Terrorists. He is now largely hated by his own people. I understand that many people feel this way, in Iran and throughout the world, and I'm not questioning anyone's beliefs/motives, but this is still an encyclopedia, and should therefore function and be worded as such. The sentences quoted above should be placed in areas of the article that deal with those issues, and sources need to be cited. I realize that this is largely common knowledge, but it is still an encyclopedia regardless. And no matter what the opinion/situation is, everything in an encyclopedia should be phrased with a neutral point of view, as encyclopedias function to state factual information. Just my $0.02. And just for the record, no, I do not support the Ayatollah regime.San Diego, California, USA 03:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khamenei and Patchouli

User:Patchouli has an intense desire to include list of dictators in the article, while no consensus has been reached on that list with regard to Khamenei. Please participate in the discussions on that article with regard to Khamenei, before further editing this page. --Gerash77 21:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bad stuff

maybe someone should put in somewhere that he runs the basij that shuts down any protests with violence --Fgol142.104.148.59 20:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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