Talk:Alhambra
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[edit] Err
Sorry, but are those really the best photos we can get of the Al-Hambra? No offence, but it really doens't show you enough of the interior. --Irishpunktom\talk 21:49, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
I have a pretty good selection of photos of the Alhambra (and Generalife) from my trip there in 2002. I offer them under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs license. You can use any of them that you like for this article, and they can be found here. --Prwood 04:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
- This article should be called Alhambra, not The Alhambra. In Spanish it receives the definite article, but if this were an integral part of the name it would have been left untranslated. The begining of the name is, in fact, the Arabic definite article anyway. The definite article may have been put there to distinguish it from other Alhambras. However, that is what Alhambra (disambiguation) is for. A notice at the top of this article already points users there if this is not what they are looking for. --Gareth Hughes 14:19, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- Support Gareth Hughes 14:19, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Support the reasoning above. Jonathunder 05:43, 2005 Apr 24 (UTC)
- Oppose The Alhambra is never ever referred to just as "Alhambra" in English. We should use the normal English name - which in this case includes the definite article, jguk 22:42, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- What is being proposed is not to remove the word the when it occurs before Alhambra in running text but to remove it from the title because The is not part of the name itself. Consider how the United Kingdom is listed. The word the is almost always in front of it in text, but The is not a part of the article title itself. Jonathunder 00:31, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC)
- Support The naming convention is this case comes down to "is the "The" normally capitalised in running text?" (As there's no "title of 'works'" or "official name" consideration here.) Evidently it's not -- witness the article itself. Alai 23:50, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Support, for reasons given by Gareth Hughes. -- Tupsharru 21:17, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 21:29, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Objectivity and hearsay?
I removed some adjectives that were blatantly subjective, and I think perhaps we should open a discussion on the objectivity of some of the other statements in this article.
Also, does anybody know of a trustworthy source that verifies the story about Napoleon's "crippled soldier" story, under the history section? It sounds a lot like hearsay.
- The information appear on few sites as well i.e. 1 2 3, but i never came across it before; anyone has a source? Thank you --NEWUSER|CARPEDIEM (talk) 06:17, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
Much of the information here seems to be faulty and not backed up by in-depth research. I removed several passages referring to the often-repeated yet not entirely accurate statement that Islam forbids the depiction of humans and animals. In fact, in addition to the famous lions there are several paintings in the Alhambra that clearly depict humans (frescoes in the Torre de las Damas in the Partal Palace and paintings on stretched leather on the alcove ceilings in the Sala de los Reyes in the Riyad Palace, or Court of the Lions). It should also be noted that almost all of the names used in this article are not original designations. Rather, they are post-conquest Spanish names (many of which were based on Arabic corruptions and misunderstandings) or more fanciful names applied by foreign travelers during the Romantic Period.83.43.234.5 12:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- If it's not true, it's certainly widely believed, and of course the Alhambra contains a monument to the crippled soldier in the form of a large plaque just outside the Alcazaba. Flapdragon 16:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Patio lions as a clock
The twelve lions functioned as a clock with water flowing from a different lion each hour. The Christians of the Reconquest took apart the clock to see how it worked and it hasn't worked since.
Can we have some references for this intriguing but unlikely-sounding idea? A brief search turned up only one not very authoritative reference. If it was widely accepted as fact I feel it would be more widely mentioned. Flapdragon 16:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC) hello
