Talk:Alferd Packer
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What is with this writing? "the story did not wash" "hornswaggled" ???????
is there any reference to Packer's pardon? http://www.custerguide.com/quillen/eqcols/19897268.htm says it was declined by the governor. I can't find a reference to it going through. PW
http://www.archives.state.co.us/packer.html Colorado State Archives says packer arrived alone at the Los Pinos Indian Agency near Gunnison on April 6, 1874, not March 6. The extra month makes a difference in the snow-bound conditions so I'd guess the Archives more reliable.
What's up with the exhumation project? It's been 14 long years ago! --Menchi 01:33, Aug 6, 2003 (UTC)
Maybe I'll try to research it tomorrow -- anyone else who wishes to, fine.User_talk:Dino
Used with permission, posted by orthogonal 23:18, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Thank you for contacting us on this matter. Apparently, the use of Alfred
- and Alferd occurs depending on signature and time. In many indexes, he is
- simply listed as A. Packer or Al Packer. All of the official criminal
- documents (at least those filled out by the court) list him as Alfred.
- Interestingly enough, it doesn't seem to matter which he is called
- historically. Perhaps, in that era lacking birth certificates, he went by
- both.
- [from a later message: one of my coworkers here mentions that both names were
- in use but many historians prefer 'Alferd.']
- Sincerely,
- Lance Christensen
- Department of Personnel & Administration
- Division of Information Technologies
- Colorado State Archives
- 1313 Sherman St., Rm.1B20
- Denver, CO 80203
- 'phone number elided'
- -----Original Message-----
- From: 'orthogonal's real name elided'
- Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:08 AM
- To: archives@state.co.us
- Subject: Alfred Packer or Alferd Packer?
- In your web page at
- http://www.colorado.gov/dpa/doit/archives/pen/packer/index.htm, you give the
- subject's name as "ALFRED Packer", but other sources seem to use "ALFERD
- Packer".
What side of the Civil War did he serve on? Presumably, on the Union side. But this should be explained. Kent Wang 03:09, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Apparently Union, in an Iowa regiment. Edited a little. — dino
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[edit] Denver Post story
I removed "See the Denver Post reference below for more evidence that Packer's story of self-defense may have been true" because the DP article does not, in fact, contain any such evidence.
The closest it comes is stating (without referencing, elaboration, or quotes) that "The expert forensic evidence, now available only 106 years after the first trial, indicates that one of Alferd Packer's versions of the tale is true." That's a *claim* of evidence, but in itself it's not actual evidence. --Calair 00:26, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] USDA dining facility?
I can imagine a university naming a dining hall after a famous cannibal, but a USDA facility? Can anyone provide supporting evidence? It seems a bit far-fetched. The edit in which it was introduced seems to have come from Ta bu shi da yu. grendel|khan 14:42, 2005 Apr 13 (UTC)
- I eat at the university dining facility so-named pretty much every day, so that's no mystery. It appears that Ta bu shi da yu's edit is valid as well. See this page: Several months later the cafeteria was renamed when it was discovered that Packer had been convicted of murdering and eating five prospectors in 1874. --Alterego 16:27, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've taken it out, along with the Congress comment. It's too ridiculous to be true, and even if it is, I don't feel it belongs here. - User:Barfooz
- Um, it IS true, like I said above, and whether or not it is ridiculous doesn't matter, because it's true. --Alterego 02:41, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Editing
The first sentence of this article makes absolutely no sense. He was one of only two people convicted of cannibalism, but he was not really convicted of cannibalism, cannibalism is not a crime. If anyone has any idea what this first sentence is trying to get across, please make the edit and remove the tag at the top of the page. DKK
I was just about to make the same comment, DKK. Please, if anyone knows anything about US or Colorado law, would you clarify the article? At present our article is wildly self-contradictory; he was either convicted of cannibalism or not (all sources I've checked say that he definitely was not). Maybe it should have read 'capitalism'. (Is that a crime in US?) Alpheus
[edit] American Antiquity Article
This piece should be updated to reflect a piece written by Alison Rautman and Todd Fenton in the April 2005 issue of American Antiquity. They describe data from the 1989 excavations that indicate that all five bodies had repeated blows to the head by a heavy sharp object such as an ax, as the cause of death. There was no evidence of gunshot wounds in any of the bodies. Packer's story that he shot one of the others in self-defense doesn't hold up.
[edit] National Geographic Channel Special
I saw a documentary today that discussed Starrs efforst and also disputed the hole in the pelvis (which might not be a bullet hole and belonged to the wrong corpse). I was unable to find further information online with a cursory check. Is anyone interested in digging deeper?
--KNHaw 00:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
