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[edit] Signpost

Could you help me please in translating?

For example, I'd like to say:" In addition, in the Hungarian Wikipedia, the community votes for the article to be published on the main page." -- is it good? NCurse work 16:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

That's what I wanted. :) Thanks. NCurse work 17:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Would you be so kind as to help me? Still User:NCurse/Signpost. Please make a copy-edit, then make In the media section into prose. To be honest, I'm a science-oholic, so I can read scientific articles without any problem, but I'm in trouble when I have to translate properly common sections. :) I really like Miskolc... NCurse work 16:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You're a nice, aggressive girl, Alensha :D (and I see, you are proud of Flood in Miskolc, 1878 :P) – Kdano 19:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

It was just a sketch:
  • media coverage should be in prose, so we should tell people about these articles.
  • images were randomly choosen, I want to show nice and informative pictures, I just added these to have an example how it will look like...
  • I'll add hun portal.
  • "we could also write something about the growth of our encyclopedia", just go on, we'll include it. :)

Thanks for help. NCurse work 22:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LGT

Hi there: I am sorry that my placing a notability tag on this article upset you, and am also sorry to take so long to reply; I have been away. The tag does not mean that the article is bad, it just means that you need to explain why the subject deserves an encyclopedia article. Usually this means that you have to expand the article, which you have now done, and I see that the tag has gone. You, as an editor, have the right to remove tags of this type, although it is expected that in doing so you will address the problem - which of course in this case you have done. Friends?--Anthony.bradbury 07:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Križevci (former county) move proposal

You might want to discuss move proposals of Hungarian counties at Talk:Križevci (former county). -  AjaxSmack  18:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Géza Lakatos, Miskolc, etc

Hi, on 12 November 2005, you edited Géza Lakatos article and inserted " Adelaide, My 24, 1967 " for place and date of his death. I wonder if you could check your source and confirm. I have a different place and date (Sydney, May 21, 1967) Ref. Kursietis, Andris J. The Hungarian Army and its Military Leadership in World War II.

On a separate note - Do you have any information or sources on Miskolc's history during the 1956 uprising and the role played by the army vis a vis the AVO. (I understand that the military barracks were across the road from AVO headquarters.) I am researching various aspects of Hungarian military history and am anxious to get my facts right.
Thanks, Bardwell 12:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging for Image:Flag of Miskolc.gif

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[edit] Vitkovics

Szia, nem tudnád feltölteni esetleg a magyar wikiről az angolra azt a képet, ami a Vitkovics Mihály szócikket illusztrálja? Én nem nagyon értek hozzá, meg nem is vagyok regisztrálva a magyaron, úgyhogy le se tudom tölteni magamnak. Azért kellene, mert Panonian írt egy szócikket a magyarországi szerbekről és Petőfit rakta be illusztrációnak. Sikerült meggyőznöm róla, hogy ez így kicsit gáz, és elfogadná Petőfi helyett a Vitkovics képet. Ha van egy kis időd a dologra előre is köszi. Zello 18:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Košice again

[1] I'd fixed this. Juro looks as chased out by trolls. Pavel Vozenilek 12:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1956 revolution

Szia Alensha, the 1956 Hungarian revolution is on the Article Creation and Improvement Drive (shortcut: WP:AID) in the hopes that we can get it all cleaned up nice and ready to be the featured article on Oct. 23, the 50th anniversary of the uprising! The thing is, it needs votes. (This whole campaign was actually user:Istvan's idea but I'm helping him out.) I'm just randomly typing messages to various Hungarian Wikipedians encouraging them to go vote. Would you please help up out? Hajrá Magyarország! ;) K. Lastochka 00:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Alensha and Lastochka, I caught your post re: the Hungarian aricle - I wouldnt say its without merit, there are quite a few valuable but disjointed facts listed which could be brought over to the English site - perhaps doing this first, before backtranslating the En:article would at least allow you to say it actually had the Hungarian input first. BTW, Im happy this has your attention. Istvan 13:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Szívesen! I love barnstars....thinking of creating an even more prestigious Hungarian one for when the article gets FA and we can all bask in our own glory. :) Love, Lastocska K. Lastochka 16:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archduchess Walburga + sisters

I basically moved these articles because they were located at NN, Archduchess of Austria, which isn't the right title for princesses. I think it's actually used for grand dukes and some kings, ie, Ernest Louis, Grand Duke of Hesse, and not used to title princesses or archduchesses. Morhange 03:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] September 2006 Riots

Hello Alensha, Your report of Szonda Ipsos poll forecasts for the upcoming local elections are very interesting.

 + * In towns having less than 10,000 inhabitants: Fidesz 38%, MSZP 19% 
 + * In larger towns: Fidesz 30%, MSZP 26% 
 + * In cities with county rights: Fidesz 35%, MSZP 19% 
 + * In the capital: Fidesz 27%, MSZP 27%. 
 +  
 + (Source: MTI Report, September 22, 2006.[1])

These figures confirm the impression I formed on a visit to Hungary earlier this year that there is a significant divide, in many respects, between the capital (Budapest) and rest of Hungary. Do you have any information / statistics / etc., or your own views, why MSZP is running neck and neck with Fidesz in the capital, but trailing significantly in the rest of the country? In what way does the electoral demography of the capital differ from the rest of Hungary?
On a different note - your excellent reports on what’s going on there might not be reaching their target audience cose wiki page "2006 protests in Hungary‎" is not integrated into any of the 'mainstream' Hungary pages, where one would naturally look for info. I came across your reports by chance.
Regards (and take care!), Bardwell 23:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks! BTW - are you aware of wikinews? See: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page. Your on-the-spot reporting would fit there v. nicely, I think, and would get greater exposure. Bardwell 12:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 26 September 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mancs, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Segíts kérlek!

Üdv! A segítségedre lenne szükségem. Írtam egy cikket a Délvidéki vérengzédekről, de PANNONIAN minduntalan kiforgatja és a cikk már-már arról szól, hogy a magyarok mind szemét nácik akik a szerbeket gyilkolták. Hol ott arról írok, hogy a jugoszláv partizánok 40000 ártatlan magyar embert mészároltak le. Kérlek segíts megmenteni a szócikket, és ne hagyd, hogy az ártatlan áldozatok nevét bemocskolják. A link: 1944-1945 Killings in Bačka HunTheGoaT 18:57, 29 September 2006 (CEST)

[edit] My RfA

Thanks for the vote and mostly the note. I promise I'll help you with even the Miskolc-related articles. :) NCurse work 14:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:) – Alensha talk 15:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Nemcsak, h nem haragszom, de egyenesen megkérlek, hogy máskor javíts bele nyugodtan. Én amolyan gyakorlati angolt beszélek. :) NCurse work 13:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

signature test – Alensha talk 21:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: 2006 protests and elections

I'd be glad to help, but I can't promise anything. I only have a few minutes of Wiki time at a stretch and I'd rather fix the HuWiki articles when I have more time. You know, to practice the language. ;)

-- nyenyec ☎ 03:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hungary portal

Jó napot Alensha! I do indeed love Hungary--basically I'm Hungarian like Liszt Ferenc was: hardly any actual ethnic Magyar blood, but patriotic Hungarian to the core. :) I'd love to contribute to the Hungary portal--can't promise I'd be able to do stuff every week but I'll gladly help out if I'm needed. I can be of most use on culture-related stuff, especially music as that is my area of expertise. :) By the way, how about that vote of confidence, eh? I thought for sure Gyurcsi was political dead meat!! Is the rest of the country as annoyed as I am? :) K. Lastochka 17:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Excellent! Glad to see NCurse is an admin too! I'm with you on the political crap--if I were suddenly granted Hungarian citizenship I'd probably be one of those "hold your nose and vote Fidesz" types, at least for now, but I'd try to stay out of politics. K. Lastochka 18:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Are they really that close to KDNP?? I was under the impression that they were just your basic centre-right party. K. Lastochka 18:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yuck! What a mess! Fidesz should go back to its roots, and kick out all the fascists. Either that or we can form our own party. :)K. Lastochka 18:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, no more politics talk then....didn't know it was discouraged! K. Lastochka 19:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signature

Hello, Alensha! Could you kindly remove the image in your signature? Images arent allowed per the signature guidlines. Thank you.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 19:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) --thunderboltz(Deepu) 15:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Szia Alensha, I bet you could use your flower signature if you put the whole thing inside a box. I see that everywhere... Istvan 05:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Budapest railway stations

Regarding your comment on my talk page, my recent moves of the Budapest station articles were motivated by the prior work done on articles akin to the likes of Berlin Hauptbahnhof and Praha hlavní nádraží. Whilst I would normally agree with your argument that on the English Wikipedia English placenames should be used, it is a slightly different matter with railway stations. Most railway operators in continental Europe use the original names for the stations their trains pass through (i.e. a train going from Brussels via Munich to Prague would likely be labelled as Bruxelles-München-Praha), so I believe this to be an exception to the rule.

There's also been a discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Station_naming_scheme which might be of interest regarding this subject matter.

Regarding your comment about the name being "grammatically wrong", I used [2] and [3] which both list the station as "Budapest keleti pu". It is also commonly found on destination indicators abroad. If there is any official MÁV station naming scheme, I'm interested to hear of it, but I highly doubt that even MÁV omits the "Budapest". --doco (☏) 19:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arguments for both sides

It may be odd but I can't really take sides in this matter.

Arguments for using English:

  1. easier to browse and identify for 99.99% of readers
  2. (could be) universal through the English-language Wikipedia.

Arguments for preserving the Hungarian:

  1. translations may sound silly or unusual for native speakers (just imagine Piccadilly Körönd – example from Problem English, ISBN 9631833240, p. 126), due to the mixed associations and/or the different naming conventions in different cultures
  2. translations almost always can be debated; often as many guide books, as many translations; one may express the basic idea more faithfully while another version may be more widespread etc.
  3. they don't help the reader identify the actual name of the place in question
  4. if someone is really interested in a country, they can pick up the words for "street", "square", "railway station" in about one minute; constraining the translated form may become somewhat affected afterwards
  5. it's hard to draw a line between things common enough to be translated and less important things where a translation can only be occasional and arbitrary.

Adam78 20:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

All right, Keleti Railway Station is a good compromise, I think! Adam78 13:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Party election results

Hello. I've been inserting the tables found on Hungarian political parties that show the number of seats and votes won, etc. If you could sort of go through them, maybe translating the footnotes from Hungarian, that would be nice. More importantly, though, there's a problem with Fidesz. The Hungarian version says that it won 266,689 votes in 1990 and 279,686 in 1994; the English one says 439,481 and 379,295. If you happen to know the actual numbers, please tell me so that I can make an accurate table for Fidesz as well. Thank you. Biruitorul 22:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks a lot for looking. Biruitorul 21:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 91/1/4. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. NCurse work 15:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Ajjajjajj... :) NCurse work 18:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

No, these adjectives do not really affect the outcome of the voting. These are just emotional votes. :) NCurse work 05:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:) Thanks for the answer :) – Alensha talk 14:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

Hi! Would you please check and correc the translation listed here? Thank you! - Serinde 12:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] 56

Thanks Alensha for your help and support! (what happened to your flower icon?) Istvan 21:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Alensha, you may be happy to hear that 56 is now scheduled FA for 23 October. Istvan 04:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Alensha, I have some interesting 56 political posters that could help your page - authors unknown - do you know the copyright status of political posters and gov't proclamations?? Whenever I do something on the commons, I get hammered for not having the copyright info in order... Istvan 04:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] userboxes

hahaha I just found all your userboxes on that special page! Great stuff! I borrowed your Fidesz one for myself, I've made myself a few (check my userpage, they're the patriot one and the Vaclav Havel one) which you are welcome to appropriate for yourself if you like. :) K. Lastochka 01:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

How do I do that??K. Lastochka 19:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mancs

u probably know this, being from Miskolc and all, but Mancs is dead! [4] K. Lastochka 14:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Awww....poor guy. Go light a little candle at his statue for me, will you? :) K. Lastochka 00:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. – Alensha talk 17:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

RIP, Béka poraira. Hű kis kutya volt. ♥♥♥: Gubb ✍ 2006. October 28 08:37 (CEST) 08:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: protests '06

Amongst damns : I would like to mean "káromkodások közepette" (értesüléseim szerint, az ábrahámita vallások főalakját, a világot kormányzó tiszta szellemi entitást többek közt azzal vádolták ezek a balfék rendőrök, hogy üzletszerű kéjelgést folytat - ami egy abszolúte szellemi entitással kapcsolatban nemcsak durva sértés, hanem triviálisan butaság, és különben sem érthető, hogyha egy entitást vádoltak ezzel, akkor miért nem azt tartóztatják le és miért a papjait rugdossák). ♥♥♥: Gubb ✍ 2006. October 28 08:37 (CEST) 08:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I get it now. I'll correct it if someone hasn't done so already. – Alensha talk 17:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey Q

Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere, click here to reply.AstroBoy 01:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Deadline for entries is December 15th

[edit] Re : Undeletion of "Special moments of Hungary's 1956 uprising"

I've looked through the whole thing again. I'm sorry, but I afraid I'll have to tell you to run it through deletion review instead. And you may or may not have a case because it is likely that editors will tell you to avoid Wikipedia itself as a self-reference (although you can use the sources in the original article, untranslated), and the English Wikipedia doesn't really accept anything considered as "trivia" these days. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 08:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South American Community of Nations

Hey, how are you? Having a look at the discussion of the article in question I could notice how you congratulated and supported the SACN. I just wanna thank you for your nice words and your feeling for South America as a whole. Unfortunately, I cannot see the changes we were supposed to experience with the Union. Recently, there has been a meeting in which every associate member agreed to revoke the so-called visa. This visa, as you may know, was a compulsory and expensive document required when travelling from one country to the other. I'm pretty sure this fact is really important for us as a subcontinent, because it allows everyone to cross the border for a maximum of 90 days without showing any documentation. Anyway, there are still many things to do. I hope we can see the difference in a couple of years time. Greetings from an Uruguayan citizen living in the European Union. --Gustave - May I help you? 22:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hungary portal, and problem articles

Szia! I'm sorry I haven't been helping out on the portal, I've been pretty busy and actually I'm not entirely sure how to manage a portal. :) So if you need/want help on anything, just let me know and I'll do whatever I can. I'm still pretty busy for the next few weeks but will be able to do some work here. :)

BTW, I noticed on the portal talk page that there is a big list of articles that need lots of work--Magyarization, KoH, Trianon etc.....I completely agree that they are a big mess. (I made the mistake of getting involved in some weird nationalist arguments a few weeks ago, sent my wikistress level through the roof!) I've noticed that those articles are usually monopolized by a certain alliance of Slovakian and Serbian wikipedians who are very vigilant to let their own rather POV version of events dominate the article, and any time any of us comes along to try and balance it or correct misleading statements, we get jumped on and discredited just for being Hungarian. I'm well aware that we have our own obnoxious POV-pushers, but even those of us with no "bad nationalist" agenda get slammed along with the obnoxious ones--leading to a stalemate. :( It was mentioned on the problem article list that a Wikiproject might be needed to clean up the mess. I think that's a good idea--but i came up with an idea of my own last night, thought I might run it by you: a lot of the charges leveled against us on those articles are obviously ones of blind nationalism, saying that "of course, no one, and especially not the Hungarians, can be trusted to see their own history in a balanced NPOV way." There is indeed some truth to that, for every country. So what I was thinking is, how about we form some sort of informal "alliance" with a bunch of wikipedians from somewhere else? I was considering asking the Poles--we've historically been friendly with them, and the Polish wikipedians (especially Piotrus!!) are amazingly well-organized and professional (have you SEEN their portal and noticeboard?!). What I'm thinking is they could help resolve some of our disputes, they could be a friendly-yet-critical, reliable source of copyediting, information from more neutral sources etc., and in return we could help them with whatever similar problems they encounter. (Just think: "The Alliance of Polish and Hungarian Wikipedians"!)

I know it might sound a little silly! :) It was just a random late-night idea I had, and I've always wanted to play diplomat and forge some great alliance. Why not here on Wikipedia, all for the good of the encyclopedia? :) Just a thought. :) K. Lástocska 18:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


Szia! I thought of that too, if we do try and start a little "alliance" we should make it very clear it's not some sort of Anti-Slovak-and-Serbian Society. :) That's not my intent in the slightest. My idea really was just to have a reliable, friendly but also critical group of people to help us out if our credibility is questioned (by anyone, not just the Slovak-Serb group), help resolve disputes (again, with anyone), neutrally let us know when we DO get too POV, etc. And of course we would help them however we can. I remember back in August when the 56 project was just barely starting (still on the AID drive!), István suggested that we could enlist a group of Czechs to help us with 56, then when it came the Prague Spring's turn for an FA anniversary celebration, we would return the favor. But I couldn't find any big organized groups of Czechs, so that didn't happen. I imagine doing something similar with the Poles--and it wouldn't be all dispute resolution and arguing with annoying nationalists either, our countries have historically been pretty close and there is a lot of good we could jointly do on ordinary history and culture articles. :) K. Lástocska 21:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Jeszcze Polska nie zginiela! :) I don't have any Polish blood (as far as I know) but I completely adore the country and the people, for all their eccentricities. :) Poland and Hungary seem to have a lot in common--mainly how we've both been kicked around and caught in the crossfire every single time the big European powers start fighting. Arrrgh... :) anyways yes, I'll ask the Poles. I might leave a talk-page message for Piotrus first, just to see if it is a good idea from his perspective, and then maybe post something about it on the Polish noticeboard. :)

Is it really your birthday btw? If if is, happy birthday!!! K. Lástocska 21:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miskolc

Nice portal, congratulation!

and

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!!!!!!!! :-)

--Bináris 21:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Megelőztek :))

Happy Birthday!! And congrats on Miskolc!--Dami 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thanks a lot for your nice comments and support < :) > ! I appreciate it. Biruitorul 22:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for consoling me. I will let you know if I'm up again - probably not before July/August. Biruitorul 18:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] portal

I know it's a little early, but I just updated the portal. It's easier than I thought! :) K. Lástocska 15:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I know, I just wanted to do something special for Puskás Öcsi. I just finished listening to the broadcast from his funeral on Petőfi Rádió...I think I'll go curl up under the covers and cry like a baby now....K. Lástocska 16:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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