Talk:Alexei Yashin

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[edit] Removed Neutrality Tag

I don't see a POV issue here. I consider myself more pro-Yashin than just about anybody I know, and I think that the article more or less focuses on the facts and doesn't say anything untrue or unfair. If any individual editors have specific spots in mind, they're free to edit the article to remove what they see as a lack of neutrality. Croctotheface 05:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Here are a few examples of questionably NPOV sentences:

• Yashin soon eclipsed Daigle as the team's brightest young star
• the pinnacle of his career came in the 1998-99 season
• Yashin's anger at being paid less than Daigle was probably justified since Daigle never even approached his potential.
• his mediocre point production has led people both inside and outside the Islanders organization to question his effort and salary
• Satan and Yashin showed signs of chemistry early in the season, but generally produced disappointing results.

According to Wikipedia's official policy, the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. So while I'm not saying the above statements are false, they should either have citations/sources or they should be edited/removed. I guess it's fine to remove the NPOV tag as long as the unreferenced tag stays, because if proper citations/sources are added, that should take care of the NPOV problem at the same time. I will try to add some citations in the next week or so. If anyone has any good links to articles about Yashin, but doesn't want to go through the trouble of incorporating them into this article, you can just provide the links here and I'll try to work on them. --Muéro 05:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that the Daigle-related statements are supported by the statistical comparisons. The same could probably be said of the "pinnacle" statement beig supported by statistics, though I'd be fine with weakening that statement. The "mediocre point production" sentence should be sourced, but it's definitely factual. Just about any NY-area article on Yashin would do as a source. The Satan/Yashin statement, while true, could be rewritten. I know that Islanders broadcasters talked about that matter a lot, but that's not really a verifiable source unless someone has tapes. More generally--and I admit that this is kind of a non-answer--I'm more concerned with untrue, inaccurate, or opinionated statements, since 90% of Wikipedia is unsourced. Naturally, though, the article should be sourced. Croctotheface 06:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Just got some links some some of the assertions. Speaking of the questionable NPOV sentences, most of them were made by sports analysts, particularly CNN Sports Illustrated. Although the use of columns is discretionary, I would say that there could be nothing else on Sen's management treatment of Daigle and Yashin. GoldDragon 01:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not in a rush to remove the unsourced tag but I feel that most of the major points have been sourced. GoldDragon 01:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is the injury relevant?

I'm not sure this is relevant. My inclination is that two months from now, it won't matter at all. I'd probably be inclined to remove it. Croctotheface 23:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)