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[edit] Just in case you hadn't noticed...

...I left you a couple of messages above in the #Gia sou! section...:NikoSilver: 21:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Al. I think I've found something. I'll post it there. Please comment.:NikoSilver: 20:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Bulgarian

Hey man, I'm keeping an eye on that page, certainly there is some stuff that is clearly nonsense, but I'm at least impressed that it has "Citation needed!" next to it. It says it is a work in progress (isn't everything!) so I'll leave it for a couple of days then take another look. The principle problem is that he seems to be swaying over to representing the "Bulgarian view" as fact in some cases. Of course this can be fixed. Thanks for the heads up - FrancisTyers · 23:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cretan socks

If Cretanpride is still using sockpuppets, I'd say a block of a week or even longer would be entirely appropriate. And if he tries to evade that block with more sockpuppets, I think it would be appropriate to lengthen the block (and, obviously, block any sockpuppet accounts or IPs indefinitely).

Just because I want to remain civil to him doesn't mean that I'd excuse further violations of policy on his part. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 13:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

And it turns out that he was using another sockpuppet. I've blocked him for a month, and put a note up at AN/I to allow anyone to comment in case they think it's excessive or based on a conflict of interest. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Epirus

[1]LOOOOL;)... apparently u are right! --Hectorian 02:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your heritage... ;-)

Hi, do you, by any chance, "claim descent from the Ancient Romans"? If yes, follow this link to find out you were wrong... -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Really, in Tuscany we generally claim descent from the Etruscans... ;-)--Aldux 13:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hippias Minor translation

Hi, Aldux. You're very welcome. I just completed the translation, and would be grateful for your input. Nice to see how quickly the work was appreciated. I stupidly undertook the translation without noticing the sheer length of fr:Hippias mineur -- so it took much more brain power & time than expected. Going out now to get some brain lubricant. Cheers! --Storkk 18:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maurya Empire

Thanks for your help in the Maurya Empire page (... and your numerous interventions on Antiquity-related pages)! It seems just quoting ancient sources and a few Western specialists of the Hellenistic world can sometimes be quite contentious :-) Best regards.PHG 16:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Do not attempt to intimidate me. I am fully aware of wikipedia's policies and so should you: the 3RR rule does not apply to simple vandalism, i.e. sneaky vandalism. Something you are now guilty of and have participated in on account of your friend PHG. I suggest that you desist on account of you being guilty of such violations; otherwise, perhaps you should "prepare to pay the consequences (that is getting blocked)". If there is a discussion to be had, then let us discuss. I am more than willing to continue the discussion. Apparently, you are not.
As for PHG's additions, they are not to be considered on the main page of an history article for the same reasons that a eugenics theorist should not be included in a modern discussion of sociology: Accepted at one time and no longer accepted. If you accept eugenics as a legitimate theory worthy of being placed on a wikipedia sociology page, well then, we understand your motivations now.
Also, I suggest that if you want to continue to be a responsible wikipedia user and contributor, that you check your tone. Your attempts to antagonize me and other users (something you have a track record of) are uncivil, irresponsible, and are not in line with the values of wikipedia. User:Devanampriya

Hello Aldux. I don't think for one moment that your conduct towards other users has been of ill-will. I don't support the excising of the information, but can we get more info from Buddhist oriented sources or Jain sources to make it bigger. Because it does seem as though there is not much detail about Ashoka and Buddhism and Ashoka the conqueror, and the same in the Maurya Empire - at the moment there is lots of information about the Greek connection, which inherently there is nothing wrong, but it may give the impression that Ashoka was a Greek reprentative or something - it just feels a bit too oriented on his bloodline and not what he nor the Mauryans achieved. In any case it was interesting that I got Mahinda (his son, who brought Buddhism to Sri Lanka) and Moggaliputta-Tissa (his spiritual adviser) to DYK in the week leading up to the locking - could we put more stuff about Buddhism into the articles to balance it out as well as his stuff about the Kalinga conquest etc. The Greek stuff is still interesting of course and I don't see a reason to cull it unless there is POV or weaselly stuff compromising it. Anything this old, of course cannot be certain, so as long as we give both a fair hearing then it should work out OK. This could be an interesting case as I am interested in learning more about Asoka. Perhaps I can find more about his Indian activity (religion and miltary) to balance it out. Tell me what you think. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 06:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Aldux. Personally I think it should be removed, I can't see how it is useful in any way as at that stage China and India had no contact with each other and it could have comparisions with any other random empire. Apart from that it seems like original analysis and seems vague and wobbly. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 04:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

You have vandalized articles such as Alexander the Great and 1994 World Cup. Please refrain from vandalizing in the future. Such vandalism is dentrimental to the encyclopedia. Thank you. Heraklis 00:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Another sock of User:Cretanpride? --Akhilleus (talk) 00:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Probably, since Aldux in any case has vandalized nothing! --Hectorian 00:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually Aldux blanked out sections from both of those articles including the section on a Mount Rushmore type of mountain of Alexander, something which you Hectorian had edited on. As for this accusation against me, I trust that when the checkuser returns negative, I will deserve an apology, much like Apro Thank you all! Heraklis 00:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I did some research, and i saw that the construction has not even started yet. so, the section about this mountain should not be there, for the additional reason that it serves as an advertisement for the company that says that will create it... Wikipedia is not a place for that company to raise money... So, Aldux did well in removing it. About checkuser and stuff, sorry but i have not followed what has happened... --Hectorian 00:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I bet Cretanpride you're using a different computer, and attempting to provocate me in making a check that wouldn't awnser confirmed. For this, even if it was pretty obvious that you were a sock, I waited a little, just so that you would kindly provide some other cord with which to hang yourself, which you promptly did. BTW, checkuser is not necessary in cases as obvious as this one, so I'll block you immediately. Bye bye,--Aldux 01:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
And thanks for your words, Hectorian; I know I can always cont on your support :-) (Which doedn't mean we can't have some nice quarrels now and then ;-))--Aldux 01:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm starting to wonder what User:Heraklis' IP address would be. Would it be the same as User:Apro? At least one of Cretanpride's socks had an IP from a Greek ISP, so he seems to be able to switch between providers and perhaps do some IP spoofing. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Hehe, thanks:). We may have quarrels... we can't agree in everything! However, knowing graeco-italian mentality, i'll try to avoid it:). Ciao --Hectorian 01:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia

This page was just unprotected. If Objectivee starts up again, would you please block him, perhaps for a lengthy period given his past tendency to edit contentiously? Regards, Ya ya ya ya ya ya 01:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Given my involvement in the article, certainly I won't block him, especially if his edits remain concentrated there; anyways, lets see what happens.--Aldux 09:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Poll

...you know the drill! :-) •NikoSilver• 10:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Kindly give it one more look...•NikoSilver• 12:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:EU countries and candidates

Since you were involved in reverting edits by Asteraki in that template, I thought I should notify you that I proceeded in correcting it with the standard EU appellation. I have posted my reasoning in the respective talk, and wish this all doesn't sound childish and silly, but I can't tolerate 'putting words in EU's mouth'. Thanks for your understanding in this. •NikoSilver• 08:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your recent edit in WP-ANI. I'm going out for a walk now. as the attacks on my talk page, and comments on WP_ANI are starting to get to me. However. I shall not loose my temper today so will not be banned - so I go for a walk. Thanks for your comments - it's nice when some-one one does not know says something nice. Giano | talk 14:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I've replied on my talk page to your point, which does mot exclude you, and was not aimed at you - far from it. Ciao Giano | talk 08:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:CRAZY SCIENTIST

Hi, could you have a look at CRAZY SCIENTIST (talk • contribs)? He's a likely Mywayyy reincarnation, or at least someone with a very similar agenda. Revert-warring, 3RR, personal attacks (ask me about the Greek if you have difficulties), talkpage harrassment, the full monty. Good thing is, if he really isn't Mywayyy, he claims he has a stative IP, so your blocks will stick better... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, you're right. Honestly, I didn't even notice the account was that much older. There's also the IP which he claims is his, and which happens to be in a very similar range as Mywayyy's... Well, anyway, I've also put it up to RFCU, let's see what they say. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Istanbul pogrom

Out of courtesy I am giving other editors tonight to add sources to back up the content on Istanbul pogrom. Tomorrow I'm going to start removing large blocks of text per WP:BLP. In addition, I will most likely be adding the NPOV tag unless drastic changes are made, as this appears to be POV OR. Regards, Ya ya ya ya ya ya 02:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sounds familiar?

Please check here. •NikoSilver• 12:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real vandal - User:Egr

See: [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6], [7]. This is vandalism from Egr. Or what? Please block him. LUCPOL 19:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't believe to Lucpol. I've recently given up cancelling his edits (which I had previously misinterpreted as personal attacks and trollings). He's throwing false accuses against me, I'm trying only to discuss seriously with the users involved in this question. Please try to ban Lucpol and his sockpuppets, they continue to slander my work on wiki and insert clearly biased affirmations about Rapcore, Limp Bizkit and Fred Durst. -- Egr (talk), 9/8/2006
Don't believe to Egr. [8], [9], [10], [11] and [12], [13]. This is vandalism from Egr. LUCPOL 15:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
For the moment I won't do anything, as rapcore is protected and a double WP:RCU has been made. After the awnsers, I'll see what can be done.--Aldux 15:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I've blocked the obvious sock and reverted this page (LUCPOL blanked the talk section). I'll also hold off on anything until RFCU is done. alphaChimp(talk) 15:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I retreat my notification, you reverted my edits - your issue. I to mean well. LUCPOL 16:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Please Lucpol, refrain again from accusing me. That edits were not vandalism, I have misinterpreted your answers as personal attacks - in fact, I have stopped doing it. Instead of insulting me, please try to REALLY understand my edits, and to debate seriously about that articles. And remember that your personal opinions are not a good way to justify aggressive discussions and false accuses. -- Egr, 9/7/2006

[edit] Reply

Hmmmm, the place I would go is peer review. If you're unsure about that you could always go to good articles. I'm pretty sure there's nothing before that... Hope that helped. —Khoikhoi 00:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice. :) Good article by the way. Ciao. —Khoikhoi 01:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You keep reverting FYROM to ROM. Although you are from Europe, you dont seem to support the european POV. Why?

The "Republic of Macedonia" is recognized with that name in United States or in Russia. But in Europe the state is supposed to be "Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia". Although you are from Europe, you dont seem to support the european POV. Why? AIUI 06:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to correct you: Italy, Germany, France and UK all use RoM, and the media simply "Macedonia". As for Telex being my sock, if you look the edit histories, we've been often in dispute. But I would love it to be true; I would be a super-linguist freak with knowledge of Italian, English, French, Greek, Albanian, Bulgarian and Macedonian.--Aldux 16:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
EU's decision is that this state should be called FYROM. Of course a small minority of EU states disagree, but, AIUI, they should be forced to obey to the decision of the majority, shouldnt they? Are you against the decisions made by the EU Legislature and you think that EU people (like you and me) should decide instead, are you in favor of the legistrature's decisions EXCEPT this one, or are you finnaly an advocate of Anti-Europeanism? AIUI 18:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Um... Aldux. Out of all EU member states (this includes La Repubblica Italiana), only the government of Poland fully recognizes the name "Republic of Macedonia". --Telex 18:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops, my sock has promptly corrected me ;-) Since Italy in the CEI uses "Macedonia" instead of Former Republic ecc., I thought this was the norm, since I'd never heard an Italian politician use FYROM, nor is it ever used by Italian, French and British media (can't read German). Anyway, awnsering AIUI, FYROM, or more exactly the long form, is only used in EU-RoM relations; but in bilateral relations everybody is free to use the name they prefer; as the name used in the ONU isn't binding for the single members, so is the case of the EU. Also (but not very important), I doubt there was a vote of the Europarliament on the issue; this was probably decided by the commission, with an accord between Greece and RoM.--Aldux 20:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Aldux, but the EU exclussively uses the name 'FYROM' in every paper, and no EU member state (apart from Poland, which entered just 2 years ago) has formaly recognised that country as 'Macedonia'. also, have in mind that the media (Greek, Italian, French, English, German-i cannot read all those languages, but i can understand some words) usually call the USA simply as 'America', the US president simply as the 'American President', US Senate simply as the 'American Senate', a US aircraft-carrier simply as 'an american aircraft-carrier', not to mention that the people of the USA self-identify simply as 'Americans'...! However, i doubt if anyone would like to mess here in Wikipedia with all the Canadian, Brazilian, Mexican et cetera editors, by changing every reference to 'USA' into the term 'America'. In the case of FYROM, however, there has been a monopolisation of the name!... even in the cases were this state is not recognised by this term (international organizations, bileteral relations with countries who still recognise it as FYROM, etc)... Hectorian 20:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

I think it's time to unprotect Samothrace, Symi, Agathonisi, Arkoi, Fournoi Korseon, Gavdos, Gyali, and Pharmakonisi. :) —Khoikhoi 09:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonism

I dont understand this revert. Why did you make it?   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cretan socks redux

He seems to be getting more sophisticated. I really don't understand why he couldn't wait out the 6-week block; he's actually much closer to making valid points this time. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

...and the latest sock is confirmed... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just fishin...

...Like the bait? -> Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece#Members •NikoSilver• 21:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Hey, that vandal today...

Voicing my protest
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Voicing my protest

...was calling me a rat! Do I get to accuse him of personal attacks now? We are delicate, sensitive souls, us rats. Scabbers the Rat 17:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've been luckier - I've only been called "annoying" ;-) Unfortunately we can't ban him for WP:NPA, as he's alread been undefinitely for his sockpuppetry and lovely character. Unfortunately, we still haven't found a way to ban banned users ;-)--Aldux 17:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah, that makes it difficult, doesn't it. Speaking of which, you don't happen to have a few crumbs of that lovely Mastic sweet they make on those Greek islands, to feed a poor little rodent? Reverting vandalism and thinking of Mediterranean islands always makes me hungry. Scabbers the Rat 19:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belated thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA. Consensus to promote was reached, and I am now an administrator. I'll be using the tools cautiously at first, and everyone should feel welcome to peer over my shoulder and make sure I'm not doing anything foolish.

I really appreciated your very flattering words on the RfA; I've seen your name pop up over and over again in the Ancient Greece areas of the 'pedia, and it's very pleasing to know that I've earned the respect of a great content contributor. Tbanks again, --RobthTalk 04:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Artsakh

Can you please semi-protect this page? Rovoam's back. —Khoikhoi 07:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm leaving Wikipedia awhile in protest

Hi Aldux. I'm leaving for awhile to protest Giano being driven away from Wikipedia. Please see my talk page and share your thoughts there. Thanks, Paul August ☎ 18:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Perikles

Another sock of Cretanpride? Note this diff. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Yep. It's confirmed. Are you getting as tired of playing whack-a-mole as I am? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I sincerely doubt that this truly is the end of the Cretanpride saga. I fully expect to see more sockpuppets popping up.
By the way, who is the editor you referred to as facing a community ban? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 15:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah. I agree that there's more unpleasantness around in general these days. I'm afraid that my own response to the current level of vitriol is to tune out of "Wikipolitics" and try to focus on the articles I care about. Unfortunately, this means that I pay less attention than I should to important pages like AN/I, just because I don't want to get sucked in to these debates. It's probably rather irresponsible of me as an administrator, but I'd rather tend my own garden than slog through an overgrown field and risk poison ivy. (How ridiculous a metaphor is that?!) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] oil in Darfur

Hi - can you be sure that what you say is correct?

I was surprised that oil was not mentioned in the Darfur article, yet there does seem to be some market in the oil-search rights .... How can that be?

The section you removed onnly suggested this as a POSSIBILIITY - I suggest you reinstate it but edit it, rather than completely remove it.

(Not sure why you refer to blogs - there are links to BBC and Guardian too.)

Johnbibby 21:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I've controlled carefully, and Galloway only speaks of oil in the region, not Darfur; and it's well known to everybody there's oil is in southern Sudan. As for the article citated in the blog, it never mentions Darfur.--Aldux 21:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maraba Coffee

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[edit] Cretanpride or not?

Hey, Aldux. I'd like your opinion on whether GreekEconomist (talk • contribs) (formerly Μέγας Αλέξανδρος (talk • contribs)) is Cretanpride or not. Cretanpride, of course, had previously used the sock MegasAllexandros (talk • contribs). The GreekEconomist account hasn't edited much in Cretanpride's usual haunts — most of its edits were about Greek musicians — except for a few comments at Talk:Alexander the Great, which didn't touch on Cretanpride's homophobic obsessions. The question is how likely it is that two different Greeks from California, with the same ISP, would choose a username based on "Alexander the Great". It doesn't seem impossible to me, but Mackensen thinks it's "blazingly obvious". I've been fooled by Cretanpride before, so I don't really trust my judgement on this one. What do you think? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

That makes sense, especially with the explanation of the range. I also see that Clearwire, the ISP used by both GreekEconomist and many of Cretan's socks, has fairly limited coverage in the United States, which makes the coincidence even more improbable. Do you want to do the honors, or shall I? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Ta, Aldux. I'll put the relevant tags on the talk and user pages.
By the way, what exactly do you mean by "a thorough control of the edits"? (If you'd rather not reveal the methodology in public, where Cretan can read it, feel free to email me.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah! Well spotted. I would never have noticed those connections. On to the next round, I suppose... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey -- I've looked into this, and I actually find the evidence very unconvincing, so I unblocked GreekEconomist (see my remark on the user talk page for a thorough explanation). The Greek community (I'm not greek, but I know many of them) is very tight-knit, and I wouldn't be surprised if they settle in specific locations in large concentrations. In other words, I think all of this is explained by one coincidence: that there is another greek user in the same local area; the rest makes a lot of sense. Alexander the Great has got to be a very common choice for a handle. Mangojuicetalk 12:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need a lot of help

Two of our friends decided to pay us a visit today—could you please semi-protect the following pages?

Thanks in advance. —Khoikhoi 00:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The picture

I just uploaded another one, and got an error message. Do you know what this is?   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks, Aldux! It is a great honor to be awarded an Epic Barnstar by one of the best Wikipedians in subjects related with the ancient Greece and the ancient word in general.--Yannismarou 19:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Hey Aldux. Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It finished with an amazing final tally of 160/4/1. I really appreciate your support. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 20:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Semiprotect?   /FunkyFly.talk_  00:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

For the moment he seems to have calmed down; but I'll keep monitoring the article for future problems.--Aldux 14:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Who is "he"? We're talking many IP addresses.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, I see three anon. edits made by two IP accounts, almost certainly the same person.--Aldux 17:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

I give argument at the disc-site, why i put the POV-title in. And not only I do it, Mukadderat, Mitsos, IP: 87.203.224.46 and IP: 69.134.220.50 also does'nt agree. But the nationalists from greece remove it all the time. So, why do you block me now and don't block them? -- 62.178.231.146 13:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

Hi! Could you please move Boris Mikhailov (footballer) back to Borislav Mikhailov and delete the redirect from Boris Mikhailov (footballer)? It's just a user mistake and going through WP:RM would take too long. Thanks :) Todor→Bozhinov 11:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! It seems like he was also known under that name too (at least in England), so the redirect is OK after all, but we'd have to link all pages back to Borislav Mikhailov and bypass the redirect. Todor→Bozhinov 11:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ciao Aldux

Ho visto questo e ti ringrazio. Pmanderson has no political but rather aesthetic objections, as he cleared out today. I've made one more pic for the intro and he likes it (I don't). There's an informal poll at Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Which picture?. Kindly express your opinion. •NikoSilver• 20:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Nicanor

Thanks for the message Aldux. I hadn't, in fact, been aware of the Naming conventions (Greek) conventions, even though I've been editing occasionally on and off for a fair while. I can't say I'm happy about them, but these things have a tendency towards immobility so there's not much point complaining; I'll follow the conventions where not using a phonetic transliteration, and alter the proposed titles.

Having said that, what do you feel about the renaming in other respects? I personally feel it's a bit silly to have, for example, a Nicanor of Macedon alongside a separate Nicanor of Macedonia, especially when there are multiple other Macedonian Nicanors as well.

Thanks also for pointing out Nicanor (Syrian general), I missed that since he wasn't on the disambig page. He corresponds to what I had marked as "Nicanor (son of Patroclus)" (= Smith i.12); I think I prefer my title because, just judging from Smith, it doesn't look like there are strong grounds for saying he was Syrian (he was sent to Judaea by Lysias of Syria, but that's not quite the same thing). Petrouchka 12:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again, for the extremely useful and informative feedback. I'll adopt all your suggestions (while reserving the possibility of further changes if they seem wise!); I agree that putting the stubs in the disambiguation page is the correct solution (also for ii.1). I'll correct the remaining slips in transliteration in due course.
I'm especially grateful for your pointing out that Smith's i.12 and 1.13 are better treated as the same individual; that's something I probably wouldn't have picked up on until going into his article in detail. Cheers, Petrouchka 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Another note (unrelated to Nicanor this time; he's mostly taken care of, apart from stuff like templates and other conventions that I am continuing to discover haphazardly). I've just gone back and seen the reply you posted to my excessively hot-tempered moan at Talk:Eustathius of Thessalonica. For my part I'd like to apologise completely for losing my cool -- I must have been under stress at the time or something. My best side doesn't come out on Wikipedia as much as I'd like, as I often edit when I'm insomniac. Anyway, I have enormous respect for the quite breath-taking breadth and depth of work you do here and want to apologise for making your life just that little bit harder that day. I hope there aren't excessively hard feelings. Petrouchka 08:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Aldux, thanks for your generous comments. I'm perplexed over the mediation case you pointed me to! and surprised that the issue is between Latin and Erasmian phonology, rather than Latin and modern, which would make more sense to me. I think ... no, I think I'd rather not go there. I mostly inhabit the Classical and pre-Classical world, anyway, so ... hmm, yep. I'm a bit of a shyster when it comes to heavily disputed articles and issues, I'm afraid. Anyway, now that you've alerted me to the naming conventions policy I'll go along with that. Maybe Latin is the way to resolve all the world's issues after all, I dunno. (*throws hands up*) Petrouchka 19:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hi Aldux - thanks for the feedback, and it's good to know I can turn to you for help and advice! I have had a stab at the Mission Completion section; I hope I haven't changed any of the facts in the process. Grazie mille (that's about all the Italian I know!) EyeSerene 19:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chad

I'd love to make maps of Chad, it's been on my list for some time - but there's a lack of information about the regions. When last I checked, I wasn't able to find a reference map with the most recent regions, but I'll look around again. --Golbez 19:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

That map may just be exactly what I need, lemme work on it a bit. --Golbez 10:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I can handle the northern 2/3 of the country just fine, but the south is way too small for me to make sense of. I can't tell what are rivers and what are borders, and since most departments are unlabelled, I can't tell which departments belong to which region. :/ --Golbez 11:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry, I won't stop. It will just take longer than I expected. My detective skills may yet win the day! --Golbez 12:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas. ;) I amazed even myself on figuring this out, but I'm about 90% sure that this map is correct and accurate. Maps of the departments, and a fully labelled/colored map, etc. will be coming later. (The departments may take longer though) --Golbez 08:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Koumra, hm... well let's figure out my process here. Mandoul has three departments, Occidental, Oriental, and Barh Sara. Barh Sara and Oriental are clear on the map, and Occidental must be west of Oriental. Moyen-Chari has three as well, Barh Koh, Grande Sido, and Lac Iro. Barh Koh and Lac Iro are clear on the map, and we know Guera and Haraze Mangueigne aren't part of it, so that establishes the eastern and northern border.

So the goal is to find the third department (Grande Sido) which must lie to the west (or south), and also find Mandoul Occidental, which must lie to the westish of Mandoul Oriental, and this seemed to be the only configuration that made sense - IF I'm reading the map correctly. It's possible one of those lines I drew followed a river, rather than a department boundary. Mandoul and Moyen-Chari correspond exactly to the old prefecture of Moyen-Chari, so we just have to figure out where the new border between the two is. I agree, it seems to be saying Koumra is in Moyen-Chari, which it's not, so ... any thoughts? Perhaps a new set of eyes will tell me if I missed a department boundary. --Golbez 11:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that a few dots on the French map seemed to be way off, so maybe that's the case here too. --Golbez 01:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

So does this mean that my map is accurate enough to put online? :) --Golbez 18:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chad history

Aldux: As requested, I've done a copyedit on this section. Kahuzi 16:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Ohrid=Vergina sun?

Dear Aldux,
I understand what you meant by deleting my stuff in the Vergina Star article, but let me remind you of the following:

1. I didn't do anything unilaterally, before adding the stuff I presented everything on the talk page (you can check it) and normally I expected to see the reactions of the other people first before adding anything. There were long discussions with user Politis, at last I think we've agreed that The Ohrid story deserves to be mentioned with a couple of sentences and 2-3 thumbnails without any nationalistic B.S. Just facts.

2. The Ohrid findings ARE related to the Vergina star. No matter if one's a "macedonian nationalist" or "greek nationalist" or Tuvalu nationalist, they all agree on one thing: Ohrid (a.k.a. Lihnidos in the antiquity) was INDEED a part of the Ancient Macedonian Empire regardless if the ancient macedonians were greeks or something else. Ohrid was Ancient Macedonian city, you will see on the talk page that even Politis who is pro-greek biased agrees with that. Finding such stuff there is not at all unussuall, there is plenty of such stuff, unfortunatelly we are a small and financially weak country so of course we cannot "sell" those things to the world so succesfully as the tourist force Greece can.

3. A 12-rayed star found in Olympias is also mentioned in the article in the very beginning of the text without any explanations. Why don't you delete it? JUSTICE FOR ALL. Its not EXACTLY the same as the well known star of Vergina (its 12 rayed).Also some Bronze Age "star" with 8 rays is mentioned in the article without any further explanations or pics or anything (?!) saying that it was found in the small town of Kratovo for which greek nationalists say it was not in the ancient macedonian kingdom, its "too north" for them. Now what? But again this "bronze age star" is left untouched in the article and it has been "sitting" there for who knows how long and curious surfers are reading about it

4. Maybe my arguments are poorly sourced, but still there is an institution behind it (after all no one mentioned that I must provide lets say an american or norwegian point of view about these findings, although that would be useful indeed). I have provided info about the institute and even contact. Ohrid is a "city of UNESCO" so it is known for archaelogy and all that, it was a part of the Ancient Macedonian knigdom so summa-summarum I dont see what is so shocking and for some even irritating that those "stars" have been found here in this country too? Its quite funny cause you see, greek nationalists say "Ohrid is ours! It was ancient macedonian, but u slavs took it!" then they say "Bitola (Monastiri) is ours! It was Heraklea Linkestis!", but when you show them the "stars" found in present day Republic of Macedonia they are suddenly "errrm..errm..well doesnt look much like the vergina star u know, the rays are hmm not long enough u know".. Well, excuse me, you said those cities were part of the kingdom so thats it. If the stars can be found in Vergina or Pella, they can be found in Ohrid too. Who knows what is hidden beneath this land, if we were a better organized country who knows how many "suns" we would find.

Anyway, I still think that the Ohrid story deserves attention. --Vbb-sk-mk 16:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

hah, I know what is Olympia in Peloponissos and who is Olympias (its of course...Angelina Jolie). I was typoing so fast and I confused those two "suns" (the 12-rayed and the Bronze age Kratovo one) thats why I said "how they are related" or "it has been found so far away". After I saw the mess, I edited the message afterwards maybe you noticed (message history). Anyway, forget it, I applogize. I'll try to do as u suggest.

Btw you suggest me to I talk to people who are much better in these things, thats good, but then again I just wonder why no one of them except Politis reacted when I presented all my intentions beforehand on the vergina star talkpage? They could give me explanations what to do and what not to do beforehand. well nevermind now.--Vbb-sk-mk 18:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phanariotes

Please ragazzo don't let Dahn again change sourced content or "rephrase" information without consensus. 20% of his edits are POV-injections in direct citations. He doesn't let a single edit go "unrephrased" and he doesn't accept anyone to touch his own edits - in fact he will edit-war until he's about to break 3RR and only then he'll consider discussing. If you noticed he reverted my edits as unsourced just because I hadn't added ref tags, ignoring the fact that he had none either. Now I've added tags on every single phrase so that he won't have an excuse on "rephrasing" their meaning. Notice his arguments in discussion, they're pure original research and personal views. Just help protect this article from rv-warring, he's the most stubborn editor I've ever had to face. Regards. Miskin 23:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I concur, and the story goes on and on (back too). •NikoSilver• 21:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In case you haven't noticed:

This very serious issue requires your immediate attention: here. •NikoSilver• 21:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EOKA

Sorry 'bout that edit... I did not notice the "-B" but only the dates 1955-59. Ciao Hectorian 21:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terminal macedonology

Kindly check the talk there (Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Dates) •NikoSilver• 21:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Afrika paprika

Thanks for blocking the troll; I was about to do the same. Did you block the IP range as well? He has edited after the block, which justifies an extension. (Reply here if you prefer). Duja 06:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Personal_attack_intervention_noticeboard#Afrika_paprika_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29. He also continues editing, sorting stub-categories to articles which are not stubs. --PaxEquilibrium 15:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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