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[edit] Apollonia (city)

Hi. I translated the text. However, my german translations always sound stilted to me. Please check the wording, and add links to the text. Happy editing. -- Chris 73 Talk 21:10, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Durres

Well I'm not Greek, and I know what Dyrrhachion is, so that argument doesn't convince me. Adam Bishop 07:36, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neutral

I am neutral in the Origin of Albanians article. I will not erase arguments or statements in the article that support the Illyrian theory, as long as the arguments or statements represent the current views of credible scholars. I might not believe in the Illyrian origin yet, but I can't say it is impossible and I do not have the right to erase credited information from the text (unless, of course, it is no longer current, or has been disproven, or is mis-stated, etc.). Decius 22:46, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In considering your subjectivities in regard to the article - the article have many times been considered for deletion. You've been intellectually dishonest by feigning neutrality. While much has been achieved in the last months, a lot more hard work is yet to be done on reaching neutrality. The article needs to be edited to conform to a higher standard of quality. May seem hopeless but given up is not something we should do. I admit that I need your help. We are opposite to each other, we have our own vision of objectivity and melting them together will produce a good article. Albanau 01:33, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arvanitis

I think for now we should keep a close eye on User:Theathenae's edits. He has engaged in what can easily be classed as vandalism in the Origin of Romanians and other articles as well. If he continues and gets worse, we will report him, but I think we should wait for something more before we report. I read those edits he did and it is definitely wrong to have erased the term of Albanian ethnic origin (correctly speaking of the Arvanites), because Albanians are classed as an ethnicity regardless of the fact that the nation did not exist then as a modern state. That was clearly a demonstration of his nationalist Greek agenda, once again. Decius 22:07, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Theathenae continues to write on articles Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia insteed of Republic of Macedonia. One the article, Arvanites, he continues to deny that the Arvanitis people are the descendants of settlers of Albanian ancestry who migrated to what is now Greece. On article Arvanitic language he claim that a Gheg Albanian don't understand a Arvanítika speaker, that is totaly untrue, I myself of Gheg descant, eventhough I don't speak my native language (Gheg Albanian) so well I understand Arvanítika when I read it so well as I understand Tosk. L'Houngan from swedish wikipedia said to Theathenae talk page in arvanitika: 'edhé sa më thójnë u folni glúhën Arvanítika?', I don't speak Tosk Albanian but Gheg Albanian, however I understand this line and I can translate it to you: 'and what you told me was that you speak Arvanitika?' On the articles he have made up alot of things. He is a supporter to many theories that have been invented by politics for political purpose during Balkan's history in the begning of 1800- 1900 century. He have made clear on few articles and talk pages that the Vlach people in Albania are Greeks. On the article Arvanites he mention the Arvanites only as 'a people' rather then to specify 'a Albanian ethnic group' that settled Greece. Likely he want to claim that Arvanites ancestors are not Albanians. This is manipulation of history to the degree of paranoia. We should have a very close eye on him, he does edit pages alot, quick, I suggest we report him to other administrators that way we pressure him to stop writting from his point of view. He will likely give up, and hopefully he will learn to understand what neutrality means. Albanau 02:05, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's a good idea about getting administrators to review what he's been doing. Maybe you can get some administrators to read the paragraph above on this talk page, because you have made some good points above. Also, you can go to the Albanian Wiki and look for User:Dori to help out to. Dori can write very well in English but he doesn't use the English Wiki anymore, but he'll probably step in if you ask him. Decius 04:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scanderbeg's page

It appears Highdule is trying to force his side in wikipedia completely ignoring other people's arguements and evidence trying to downplay them. I ask that his IP address be watched over and should he continue that he be given some kind of reprisal for his actions. I will continue to watch over the page. Tpilkati 29 June 2005 05:19 (UTC)

You totaly erased Bibliography

Historia de vita et gestis Scanderbegi, by Marini Barleti, 1508
George Kastriotis, by Paganel, 1860

when what you had to do was to find online sources for the books and more books about him. Let me quote a paragraph from the first link:

This is not the oldest printed book found in the National Library of Albania (the earliest dates from 1473), but it is the most important one concerning the historical-documentary value of the Albanian culture. At the center of the work stands the image of George from the Castriots family (known by the Osmans as Scanderbegi). For a quarter of a century, at the head of the Albanian military alliance, he faced the Ottoman invaders preventing their irruption in Europe. This work points out the influence of the Albanian prince on the political life of Albanian people, of the Balkan Peninsula people and on the Continent. The author's name, an Albanian from Scodra, appears at the top of the preface: 'Marini Barleti Scodrensis de vita & gestis Scanderbeg'. The publication data are taken from the colophon.

and I think the Library "Biblioteka Kombetare" is in Tirana, Albania.

I do hope that you put that information back when you understand that you were wrong.

MATIA 18:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

But aren't you trying to claim Skanderbeg Greek or partly Greek? Albanau 18:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I dont know if he was partly Greek. Perhaps he was or wasn't. Would that make him less heroic? The books, or at least the first one, is considered an albanian cultural treasure. I don't really care if he was partly Greek, of felt he was a little Greek too. I understand how you consider him a hero (and he was) so I've made some notes on the talk page so that you can use them to expand the article. I personally think he was partly Greek but that doesn't make any difference. But we should mention what he wrote on his letter, don't you think? MATIA 18:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Keep your views from distorting the article! Your views are by defintion subjective, and they must be kept in check within a Wikipedia article. Albanau 18:35, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not distorting any article, I just write my views on talk pages (I believe it's honest to know with whom you are talking). The two books (the bibliography section) you 've deleted is like hiding facts. You can see from the history that I was very carefull when editing the article. I told you the other day, that I've read something about his origins in the past. After reading the article about him and checking the external links I found this two books (after long google searches). I believe that you will put them back when you understand it. My personal point of view is that he probably was albanian who might had some greek relatives. This doesn't make him less Albanian or less heroic. I do hope that you will expand the article and I wish you good luck.MATIA 18:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Call for an administrator

To answer the question you posted on my talk page, yes I am an administrator. Thryduulf 21:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Having read the evidence you presented I have decided not to block user:Chronographos at this point, but I have left a stern warning on his takl page that if he engages in any other personal attacks or restores comments others have removed as personal attacks then he will be blocked. I encourage you to remove the personal attacks from the page again (make sure you say in your edit summary that this is what you are doing) or preferably just remove the parts of the comments that are personal and replace them with "[personal attack removed]" or words to that effect.

I won't be around much longer this evening, so if he does it again I suggest you post a note at Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents (WP:AN/I). I am going to put a summary of your complaint and my response there now. Thryduulf 22:01, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thryduulf seems to have answered your question already. If you want stuff protected, get over to WP:RFPP and maybe leave a note on the admin noticeboard. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:30, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Nope, we were discussing personal attacks, this is something els. Albanau 22:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

It would help if I knew what articles you want protected. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:38, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

I've left the user who didn't want to discuss a warning note. MATIA (spelling?) has a good point, the 1911 Britannica has some bias, maybe it's best to work together to find a more recent source. Since (s)he is actually talking, I'll refrain from protection right now. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:59, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Matia is claiming that the Albanian group population Tosks and Gegs are not the same people and the dialect they speak, toskërisht and gegërisht, is a separated language, he is using a old Encyklopedia and this is typical what is written in a old encyklopedias about the dialects of the Albanians language and the Albanian group Tosk and Geg. All new Encyklopedias disagree. Let make you aware of something, Matia is a Greek propagandist he have tried to claim Skanderbeg as Greek, go and look on the talk page. And Theathane he should keeps his views from disorting facts, simple facts. Albanau 23:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Then, can you cite another source apart from Britannica to back this up? - Mgm|^(talk) 23:13, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Back what up? --Albanau 23:16, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[1] Tosk and Geg groups together constitute the whole of Albanian population, Geg are the northern Albanians and Tosk are the southerns. The Albanian language have two main dialects, Tosk and Geg. Albanau 23:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Simple facts..... Matia have claim that Tosk are a mishmash of people e.i. mixed with Albanians, Vlach and Greeks. [2], which clearly makes him a Greek propaganist... Albanau 23:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Albanau I am very sorry and I can't understand why you call me greek propagandist. Anyone can see my contributions, here in this talk page, on scanderbeg's talk page and in wikipedia in general. I gave you some sources to expand the Scanderbeg article. On Arvanites diff history one can see me cleary stating that Tosks are Albanians. I have clarified on one of the articles about Arvanites (Talk:Arvanitic language) that Tosks and Ghegs are both Albanians, like on Ancient Greece, Spartans and Athenians were both Greeks. Yet they might have different dress codes, dialects etc, and I told you that you could use, after filtering out the biased info from 1911, those info to write two good articles about Ghegs and Tosks.

You on the other hand kept claiming on the Arvanites article and talk page that Arvanites are an Albanian ethnic minority on Greece, while anyone who studied the history of Arvanites can understand that they are not Albanians, and everyone, including you, should respect other people's history and their right for self-identification. And back then I didn't called you a propagandist.

If someone check the diff history in Scanderbeg, he will see that I 've added a bibliography section (as we've talked about before, here on your talk page). Your insecurity led you to remove from the Scanderbeg wiki one book that is considered as an Albanian Cultural Treasure. I'm not claiming Scanderbeg for Greece, I 've clearly stated (see above) that Scanderbeg was Albanian, who might had a greek grandfather (check his letters). That, as I said before, won't make him less Albanian or less heroic. Do whatever you want and whatever you understand. I would like an apology for calling me a propagandist, but I don't really expect you to do so. Good luck on your wiki editing.--MATIA 17:43, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey Matia, many thanks that you do not go in edit wars with others and that you are calm and discuss the matter although I disagree what you just said.

1) where in the articles did I describe Arvanites as an Albanian ethnic minority? I stated many times that Arvanites are dispite the admixture descendants of settlers of Albanian ancestry and that the Arvanitic language is variety of Tosk Albanian. The sources come from Britannica, Oxford University Press, Cambridge University Press and Princeton University Press.

2) reason why I called you a Greek propagandist was because you have further angered me in bringing Greece in this separatist and schismatic description of the Albanian groups Tosks and Ghegs and the two main dialects of Albanian language.

3) you are allowed to believe that Skanderbeg was Greek or partly Greek by descendant and other Serbs are also allowed to beleive that Skanderbeg was Serb or partly Serb by descendant, however you and the others should keep the point of view outside the article. Skanderbeg does not claim Greek descendant. Regarding the name Epirus I told you that It was during medival time a synonym for Albania and Epiroti could also be used to refer to the Albanians. If you wish to claim Skanderbeg as Greek or partly Greek start a website for your purpose! PS: if you or any other make a smallest impression that he was Greek or Serb or partly Greek or Serb I will bring administrators to protect the article cause I already been fighting for a long time to keep the article clean from that kind of stuff.

In all well-meaning, Albanau 18:53, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

oh my godddddddddddddddddd!!!! i was currently viewing this site and i came to a stand still when i saw the two most horrible names in my vocabulary!! do you know what they are? Greek and Serb!!! first of all, i like to inform evryone that Skender beu or as he was originally called Gjergj Kastrioti was not Serb or Greek and for your information he didn't have descendants from there either....its insulting to think otherwise...its dimining for me as an albanian! serbs and greeks are not even ethnic, they are what we call sllavs...meaning they are "te ardhur"! what has further disgusted me is the fact that people with albanian blood repeatedly in this site refer to the original albanian language and their dialects gheg and tosk as originating from greekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!! i am ashamed.....its people like you-lot that anger me and this is the reason that albania doesn't prosper.....BECAUSE....we don't stick together but instead we choose to lick arse's of sllavs....its disgusting and every single one of you should be ashamed apart from the nationalists! i won't accept any lower... 'pacim! do you know what? if gjergj kastrioti was alive today (impossible i know) but nonetheless he would have said "i fought for nothing!!! absolutely f****** nothing!" i agree...i have seen albanians who become friends with greeks and serbs.....its not a pretty picture, i tell you that! i would rather die than stoop down to that level...its lower than dirt....and to be honest i will have my dignity, thank you!!!

ohhh one more thing!! for those of you who choose to write the name Skender Beu , Scanderbeg...what the hell do you think you are doing? Scanderbeg???? is this how albanians write the name? N O ... do you copy the name Scanderbeg from an english infested website unless you are an illeterate....doing a good job i must say! carry on with your incapability to write properly and you won't get far!!!

Chill out dude, it's a known fact that Iskender Bey is being claimed by Turkish, Greek and Serbian nationalists. Albanian nationalists aren't the only grave-diggers. Chill out. Get a life.

[edit] 3RR violation

I have blocked you for 24 hours for a Wikipedia:Three revert rule violation at Arvanites, see the following diffs: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9].

It appears that user:Theathenae hasn't actually reverted more than three times to any partiuclar version/phrase on that article (I haven't investigated the Arvanitic language article yet). Thryduulf 13:54, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I accept your block. You should take a look however that I have taking part of the discussions on the article Arvanites and Arvanitic language and the only reason why review what he was doing was due to his refusement to discuss the matter on the appropriate talk page. Albanau 14:01, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Regardless of why you broke it, you broke it. Two wrongs do not make a right. Thryduulf 14:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I agree.. one more thing.. please check this out [10], and please send a warning Theathenae, to stop with the personal attacks. Chronographos was not the only one who called me an Albanian terrorist sympathiser... Albanau 14:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Νdίχμε̰

Could you please help me here and here. Φαλεμιdτέριτ. REX 16:09, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if me asking you this would be inappropriate, but could you possibly list all your sources here to support your arguments on the status or the Arvanites. Thanks. REX 20:57, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] from Holy Roman Emperor

Oh, I wasn't aggressive at all, my friend (my apologies if I offended you) during Emperor Stefan Dušan's reign, Ioannina became an important and advanced, elbeit Orthodox Christian and Serbian Imperial city. The city of Berat (then Belgrad) was especially being constructed. And forgive me if I don't know the Albanian names for these cities, but the cities of Kroja, Avlona/Valona and Himara became Orthodox religeous centers. The Tsar enforced total equalty between Serbs, Arbanasses and Greeks; as is shown when the northern half of present Albania was governed by Karl Topia (until 1387) (th south were ruled by Despot John Asen (until 1366 and Master Alexander (1366-1370)). I see that you have been called a terrorst-supporter. Relax, user Mir Harven responded to my questin with a counter-question: "What's your life's problem? Facts?" and also told others: "Get a life, freak" and calls Serbs: the SSs (according to him, short for Serbian Sickos). I will be waiting impatiously to hear your comments... HolyRomanEmperor 09:20, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

? Nationalist? Sorry, I thought that it is a well-known fact that Skanderbeg called for his noble Epirian ancestry.... don't be so mad... Why did you not answer my last post, by the way?...? HolyRomanEmperor 18:17, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration for User:Theathenae

A petition for Arbitration has been brought against User:Theathenae because of his behavior in the Talk:Arvanites dispute. You can add evidence if you wish here. REX 14:40, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Nationalist... Sorry, I thought that most people know that Skenderbeg appealled for his Epirian ancestry (don't be mad) Why did you ignore my previous post, by the way? HolyRomanEmperor 18:28, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Where are you??? HolyRomanEmperor 09:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Probert 19:21, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Was that warning for me? And Albanau, why are you not answering me? HolyRomanEmperor 18:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Your true hides, Albanau, are finally being shown. HolyRomanEmperor 11:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] For your information

My user talk page is not the place to sort out your differences with other users on Swedish Wikipedia, neither is it a place to sort out your difficulties with other users with regard to articles in the English Wikipedia. Please take your dispute to the talk page of the article in question and sort out your differences amicably: if you feel you are not able to do this or you need an admin to step in then leave a note on this page and an admin who is available will intervene. I am quite busy at the moment and don't need this extra burden on my precious time. Thank you. -- Francs 2000 01:16, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

What do you think about Serbs. I especially mean about 37,000 Serbs in Albania? HolyRomanEmperor 14:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Albanau! Albanau!

Albanau! Albanau! Where have you been, my friend? -Alexander 007 11:40, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] a note from MATIA

Please avoid labels like "greek propaganda" and for sure avoid deleting accurate parts of articles, it can be considered as vandalism. Thanks. +MATIA ☎ 14:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The last part of the article is inaccurate cause it is unaccepted in the scientific field and also it isn't a widespread theory. The author who made up that theory was a Greek, and is without no doubt Greek propaganda. --Albanau 17:31, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Where are you? Why have you been ignoring me??? HolyRomanEmperor 16:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Fine, if you don't want to cooperate with me, I guess I can't meke you. Goodbye :(( HolyRomanEmperor 13:58, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] From User:Macedonian

Please see comments to your post at my talk page. Thanks. :) Macedonian^(talk) 02:07, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back Albanau

Welcome Back Albanau, drop me a note if you need assistance in anything. Rex^(talk) 11:12, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Votes needed

There is a poll going on at Talk:Arvanitic language#Requested move to move Arvanitic language to Arvanitic (linguistics), to reflect the fact that its status as a language or dialect is disputed. This is done in all other similar cases (Flemish (linguistics), Mandarin (linguistics) etc). Please vote support if you support the move. Rex^(talk) 15:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] what greek propaganda?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arvanites&curid=187266&diff=27198865&oldid=27196921

I suggest you revert yourself. +MATIA ☎ 23:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Are you a Greater Albanian nationalist? HolyRomanEmperor 19:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

How can I post a sample of Arvanitika along with an english translation? Acciajuoli

Acciajuoli

The life of Basil Sakelaris, the Troesenian priest.

(Freely adapted from the arvanitic.) I was born in nineteen ninety-seven, 1797, after the birth of Christ. And when I reached the age of seven, I learned to write in modern? Greek in Piyada (Nea Epidaurus?). Then I returned in my native country, and in 1808 I went to Poros, to study Greek under N. Bambakis. Then, after one year I got on a ship and we set sail to Constantinople, and then came we to Smyrna and we loaded raisins destined for Amsterdam. We set sail for Malta, from there we went to Mahon, and then to Mallorca, and we anchored in Argazilia (?). The sailors warned us not to go on sea, because the Algerians were offshore, and they would kidnap us. We went to sea anyway, they caught us and put our whole crew in their ship. In our ship the Algerians put some of their men and took us to Algiers. We remained there for four days, and then they released us, together with some other slaves. After being released we arrived in Calais, but we were sent off. Then we went to Lisbon, from there we went to London. We went to Helder by ferryboat (?) and unloaded. We entered Amsterdam six months after we set sail for the first time. Then we came back to Poros. Then I got married there, in 1818, and in 1820 I became a priest.

In 1821 the war with Turkey broke out. In 1828 I learned the allilodidaktike method? and became a teacher in Poros, remaining there until 1842. Then I left the island and in 1852 I was anointed priest for the king Ludwig. We went also in Toulon, France. In 1855 Ludwig released me from my duties and since then I have been employed in my church, with no other occupation.

[[Jeta e Vasil Sakelarit, priftit, Triziniotit.]]

in arvanitika U u leshë ndë ñië mil’lë e shtatë qint e nöntë dhietë shtatë, 1797, gka të lerrëtë e Krishtit. E, kur u shkitshë e u böshë shtatë viet, d’zura grammëtë êïéíÜtë ndë Pijadhë (ÍÝá ’Eðßäáõñïò). - Pra u pruarshë ndë katunt t’im, e ndë 1808 vaita ndë Porje, çë gje’shë grammë hel’linikí gka N. Bambaki. E pastai gka viti hira me ñië karav : e vammë ndë Pol, pra erdhm ndë Smyrn e ngarkuam staphydhe prë* [prë Zotin?] Amsterdham. - E lashuam e vammë ndë Maltë e gkah’ atje ndë Mahon, pra ndë Mayorkë, e zumm ndë Argazilie. - Atje na thoinë varkatë : “mos dilni jashtë, se janë Alindzerintë e do u grapñiënë.” Nevet duallm e na grapnë e na vunnë nevet ndë karav të tire e nde i ini karav vunnë Alindzeriñ, e na muarë pasoiet* [pasjet?], e na qellë nd’ Alindzer. E mbemmë atje katrë dit, pra na lashuan : pse ish qæroi çë lashuanë edhe të tierëtë shklev. - E, si na lashuanë i a thurm [thuam] e vamm nish-nish ndë Kalès, e nögkë na lanë, po na gjuaitin. E vamm ndë Lisbonë e gkah’ atje ndë Londrë ; e gka Londra muarm ñië matës detit e vamm ndë Hèldèr e shkarkuam ; pra himm mbörda nd’ Amsterdham, çë bömm gjashtë muai. - Pra u pruarm e erdhm ndë Porje. - Atje edhe u martuashë ndë 1818, e ndë 1820 u böshë prift. - - Edhe ndë ñië mil’lë e tetë qint e ñiëzet e ñië, 1821, gritim luftë me Turki. - E ndë 1828 d’zura al’lilodhidhaktikinë methodo e u dhiorishë dhaskal ndë Porje e mbeta ñierë ndë 1842. - Pasandai dolla e ndë 1852 u dhiorishë prift i Ludovikosë. - E vamm edhe ndë Toulo’ të Gal’lisë. - E ndë 1855 më lashuanë gka Ludovikua, e jam ñierë ndë sot ndë klishë t’ime pa doñië iatrë shërbes.

[edit] Ottoman province

"The Ottoman province Albania compromised the following four vilayet: Kosova, Ishkodra, Manastir and Yanya. I hope you knew that!?"

Such province never existed. It were only wishes of the Prizren League that such province should be created. Read your history better. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_awakening_and_the_birth_of_Albania

Quote: "In July 1878, the league sent a memorandum to the Great Powers at the Congress of Berlin, which was called to settle the unresolved problems of Turkish War, demanding that all Albanians be united in a single Ottoman province that would be governed from Bitola by a Turkish governor who would be advised by an Albanian committee elected by universal suffrage."

PANONIAN (talk) 18:23, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree that name Albania was used during the Ottoman times, but this use was only geographical. It was used to designate lands inhabited by Albanians, not any province or provinces. I hoppe that you know that one province have its borders, government and defined legal status within the country to which it belong. Term Albania was not used to designate these 4 Ottoman vilayets, but only parts of these vilayets inhabited by Albanians. PANONIAN (talk) 14:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

By the way, you can help me with something. Please see is a correct Albanian name for Egyptians written here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians_(Balkans)

PANONIAN (talk) 02:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arvanites again

Albanau, please stop it. We had a very thorough discussion of the topic during the last few weeks, and those statements in the present article that you may find hard to swallow are nevertheless extremely well supported by references. In my view, this is the best that could be done in terms of taking the Albanian view into account in a good NPOV way. If you have any constructive input to give, or want to question any specific point, then please do so. But that wholesale opposition is really totally uncalled for. I could have understood Theathenae being discontented now, but really not you guys. Lukas ^(T.|@) 22:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Permanent block on Swedish wikipedia?

Why did you get blocked on the Swedish wikipedia permanently? --HolyRomanEmperor 23:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Because of a dispute between me and two other administrators. And I'm not permanently blocked, I've been unblockad now for about six months. Albanau 10:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, well, it's good to hear that. Just please read WP:NPOV, WP:POV and WP:V (regarding the Greater Albania article). --HolyRomanEmperor 12:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not at all certain about the number "two"... or that it was only admins... Or that the block has expired. (oändlig = indefinite or infinite). So Albanau, I don't understand how it could be that you (=the user Albanau) could be unblocked on sv:? Unless, of course, this is meant to admit you're using sock puppets to evade the ban? \Mike (z) 08:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Oändlig means "infinite", not "indefinite" (obestämd). The user is and has for long been permanently banned on Swedish Wikipedia for absurd POV pushing. sv:User:L'Houngan acts just like Albanau, but he still roams free on the wiki. He uses an IP in the same range, spams users for help with spelling (just like Albanau did and probably still does, he has been banned on several internet fora for this behaviour), and claims he's a friend of Albanau's. User:Armour could also be the same user, he asked several Swedish users on enwiki with help translating a huge article directly taken from Encyclopedia Britannica... See also [11] (avstängd = banned) and [12] (where he does the mistake not to change the name of the forum where he posted...). See also Ban vote for Albanau on svwiki /Grillo 23:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arvanit

Dear Friend,

When you get a chance go to http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/english/reports/arvanites.html

Besoj se kjo pasi ka te dhena zyrtare ua mbyll gojen!

Arianiti

[edit] Just admind it already

Just admit that Greec, Serbia and Macedonia have taken the lands witch rightfully belongs to albania and the albanian people, talk all you want but the pure truth is that these lands are all inhabited by albanians and should be joined to albania. I dont really know why there is so much hatred for us albanians in the Balkans, we havent done any thing to anyone but yet you hate us so much, all we have done through out our history is suffered, torcered and been riped out of our land, we have been forced to move to this small corner of the Balkans, and yet you still want to pressur us and arent leaving us alone we want nothing more than to live in peace in a united county in the teritories that we ocupy nothing more, we dont want to take lands from any other countrys we just want our land is that too much to ask!!!!??????

RROFT MEMA SHQIPERI

JAM KRENAR QE JAM SHQIPETAR

[edit] Keni humbe

Pershendetje vellezer e motra. Ka kohe qe shume pak po paraqiten njerez qe jane dashamire te te ardhmes se Kosoves ne sajtin Kosovo. Nuk e di nee dikur ne histori eshte dashte te jemi me te bashkuar se tash. Ju ftoj te vini atje, edhe te bashkepunojme se bashku e te i kundervihemi armiqve te te ardhmes se Kosoves, qe jane shume, jo vetem fqinjet tane veriore. Ju falemnderit, Ilir pz 19:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I do not enjoy wiki-stalking

However I'd like to know what's your problem. Right now Scanderbeg doesn't have the word Serbian that so much annoyed you. See also this (and then check it diff by diff) talk to +MATIA 10:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

My problem is when users present theories as facts in the article. What annoys you so much seams very clear to me, that the word "Serbian" isn't mention on the article Skanderberg. Theories should be presented as theories in the article, and not as facts. I made that very clear on the talk page Skanderberg.

I propose the removal of disputed information when the veracity of such disputed information cannot be verified. The theory of the Serbian origin of Scanderbeg is contradictory, and based on the national romantic interest of the Serbian people. Due to this fact it has not been scientifically confirmed. The woman in question is supposedly a princess of Bulgarian origin. Yet it certainly isn't safe to say much about the origin of Scanderbeg's mother. This theories should be presented as as theories in the article, and not as facts.

User shouldn't expend great energy on searching information from one-hundred-year-old encyklopedias. Old information overwrites new information, and is is generally not useful information. It is unwise to rely on old information all the time because certain information has been controversially disputed ever since. The best way to get reliable information is from updated and objective sources

Albanau 11:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arvanites

If you aren't familiar with the process that helped reached consensus at Arvanites, then please go ahead and read the talk pages. Otherwise avoid misleading edit summaries, and for goodness sake don't start this circle again. I have much more sources available than I had during the autumn's ArbCom and much less patience. Let's work together according to WP policies and within sane boundaries and avoid RFC, RFArb etc. talk to +MATIA 09:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I very much agree with Matia on this, even if I found his edit comment about "reporting" you a bit unnecessary. We can always include new ideas; I'd only ask that you present your proposals in a non-inflammatory way on the talk page. Cheers, Lukas ^(T.|@) 13:22, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation

Because Constantine I the Great and his sons were not Illyrians but Romans [13], plus Constantine II was not even born in Illyrium but in Arles. ~Mallaccaos, 7 April 2006

It is a very good explanation or else he would have been listed as an Illyrian, as it stands he is not. As the discussion on his site mentions, just because someone was born in Illyrium does not make them automatically ethnically Illyrian, especially when there is no historical documents which claim Constantine I the Great as such. Give historical authenic documentation which says his was ethnically Illyrian and then it can be looked upon seriously. Until then claiming him as Illyrian is just a POV ~Mallaccaos, 7 April 2006

[edit] Arvanitët

Tung, në Talk:Arvanites the që artikulli ka propagandën greke. Nëse është i vërtetë, pse nuk korrigjosh atë? Telex 13:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Albanau, ndalo të je i pasjellshëm, sepse do të bllokojnë ty. Telex 11:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I think Niko reverted your "disputed" tags without looking much at the situation on the talk page. Don't worry, we're working on a solution, it really doesn't matter much whether the tags are there for the time being or not. But, as far as I'm concerned, feel free to add them back if you want to insist. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Albanau, compromise proposal: would you agree to a solution where the "Albanian settlers" is left out of the introduction, but placed - unambiguously and stated as an undisputed fact - into the beginning of the "history" section, right below the intro? Lukas ^(T.|@) 13:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: By the way, please watch your reverts - that was four reverts within very narrowly over 24 hours, if I counted right. I don't want to see 3RR casualties here. Lukas ^(T.|@) 13:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

If you've read the latest discussions between Matia and me, you'll see that I rather agree with you about the facts - the question is whether you would insist on having it in the intro, or whether it would be enough to have it in the next section down. Intro unfortunately means further conflict with the Greek editors; history section might be a basis for consensus. Lukas ^(T.|@) 15:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

For whatever it means, I do not plan on reporting Albanau for 3RR - the reverts though annoying is a side-effect of the problem that needs to be solved. talk to +MATIA 07:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help

You help me I help you. --201.11.44.5 18:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte - what is this hyper-trolling for? Did you even see what you reverted. --Telex 18:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia is not a place for....

I know who you are, I know what you have done before, and I certainly know that if someone likes to overexpress their nationalism, it is you. I've seen your actions on quite a lot of forums and places all over the internet, and I know you are not to be trusted. I won't be talking to you any more. – Elisson • Talk 23:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

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