Talk:Albino bias

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Contents 1 Biased? 1.1 Albino bias is a descriptive article 2 Proposing merge 2.1 Redirect 3 Original research 4 Chronicles of Narnia 5 Inversion 6 "Societal prejudice and discrimination against people with albinism"

[edit] Biased?

This article seems a little biased. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.148.248.75 (talk) 18:23, May 16, 2006 (UTC).

More than a little, it's absurd. I've added an NPOV tag. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how it is absurd, all the facts are true, albinos are interpreted as evil freaks in movies, but I agree it should be revised a bit to sound a bit less biassed. Plus, it should probably be merged into the albinism page. We don't really need two --24.62.38.186 01:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The article is definitely biased, the tag makes sense. WilyD 21:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Oppose merge with Albinism. The Albino bias article isn't about albinism, per se, it's about social prejudice the target of which is only incidentally albinism-related. Support merge with Evil albino (the latter into the former; latter replaced with redirect to former after merge.) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albino bias is a descriptive article

Perhaps the readers who thought that the article was biased would care to point out what aspect of it they thought was biased? I disagree with the opinion that "albino bias" is a biased article. This dispute would be resolved by a descriptive scientific study that thoroughly searches the literature and popular media and compares the rates of positive and negative representations of albinos. In the absence of such a study, can we assume that "albino bias" is a real phenomenon? I believe that we can assume that, because it is very easy to come up with many examples of negative portrayals of albinos and very difficult to come up with more than two or three positive ones. This is the very definition of bias, and it is not a bias of recollection, it is a bias in the media. Another way to approach the question is, does albino bias need attention in an encyclopedia? Since people who are interested in albino bias use that term, and since that term has been adopted by organizations that deal with prejudice and albinism, therefore the term is a real term and deserves to be treated in the encyclopedia. Another objection could be that the article's claim that albino bias is unjustified is biased. However, in the absence of research to suggest that albinos are evil, murderous, or crazy, it would be difficult to argue that albino bias is somehow justified. In fact, there are several psychological studies that find albinos' average intelligence to be the same as that of everyone else, but, overall, the psychological research on the topic is poorly done, because of inadequate measurement and small sample sizes. Thus, we have no evidence to claim that albino bias is in any way justified. In summary, the article treats a real term that likely corresponds to a real phenomenon, and it rightly defines it as a kind of prejudice. It is difficult to find bias in this article (other than albino bias), and the people who claim they found such bias are invited to explain what they meant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.140.251.249 (talk) 14:56, June 7, 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Proposing merge

Merge — I'm hereby proposing a merge with the evil albino article, as the lists and reasons for the lists are the same -- they list albinos depicted as "evil" in movies. Much of the contents seem to be similar as well. One interesting aspect of the two articles is however that this article consider it simply an unjustified generalization and leaves it at that, while the other as possibly founded in African albinism generalizations, but also mentions that asian albinism can be a sign of beauty, and goes along with listing several heroic albinos.
Since these two articles are very similar in subject, but has rather different views on the trait, I believe they should maybe be merged with an attempt at finding a good coverage of the two. -- Northgrove 22:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment — Unless someone's reverted the changes, the positive list has been moved to the Albinism article. Just FYI. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment — Nevermind. Someone DID put the "hero albinos" list back on the Evil albino page, meaning we now have two virtually identical such lists in two different articles; proposed a sectional re-merge, on Talk:Evil albino. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 11:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oppose — I am against the merge. This article (albino bias) is more about a sociological/media phenomenon of prejudice. The "Evil albino" article is more about the stereotype, or "stock character", that can be found in fiction. They have differing focus.

I would agree, though, that if they have too much in common and contains redundant elements, they should require clean-up as to better separate the topics.

St Fan 12:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Oppose per St Fan. - Che Nuevara: ^{Join the Revolution} 12:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge Both articles are quite short, with much space taken up by lists. Even if they do have a somewhat differing foci, both can be dealt with in separate sections within the same article. Unlike dictionaries, encyclopedia entries are not distinguished primarily by the word structure of language but rather by underlying conceptual structure. The fact that "Albino bias" and "Evil albino" effectively communicate two slightly differing facets of the same phenonomenon is not a good argument for two separate articles. Nesbit 21:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Oppose as per St Fan, but what's currently in the article needs to be merged with the "Evil albino" page. 66.229.160.94 01:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment — You appear to be contradicting yourself; the proposal as I read it is precisely to merge these two articles, as you suggest (and don't)...  :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge both article into "Albino Bias", with "Evil Albino" as a section. There doesn't seem to be enough differing content to justify two articles, and the "Evil Albino" stereotype seems to be perfect for a section in the Albino bias article.Qball6 13:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge this article to Evil Albino. There's nothing but fiction content here, and if anything else comes up, it should go to Albinism as a section first before making it into a separate article. As for "media phenomenon/prejudice", such commentary may be added to either or both of those articles. Perhaps best would be to put such content into a section in Evil Albino as an interpretation (if it is indeed notable) of the "evil albino" character phenomenon and then refer to it in Albinism. -- Coffee2theorems | Talk 18:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge Evil albino into Albino bias. Oppose any merge of either into Albinism. Oppose merge of Albino bias into Evil albino (the latter is a subset of the former, logically.) Generally agree with everything Nesbit and Qball6 say here. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Results: — I believe the results of this debate to be a general concensus to merge Evil albino into Albino bias. St. Fran's Oppose comment notes that the articles have too much in common, and after nearly a month no one's controverted my suggestion that the former is simply a literary subset of the latter, which would resolve even St. Fran's concerns and CheNuevara's duplicate issues. The only other Opposes were my own, to the idea of merging this stuff into the Albinism article but not to the merge contemplated here, and that of 66.229.160.94, which was self-contradictory and seemed to support the merge in the first place. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 00:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Update: The "evil albino" article was pre-emptively deleted in an improper AfD immediately after I unprod'd albino bias and started doing the merge. I have moved for the article to be restored at least until the merge is completed. Please see this undeletion request and add support for having it restored. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 03:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

If this page has been merged with "Evil Albino" shouldn't "Evil Albino" redirect here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.56.210.22 (talk) 04:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

See immediately above. Merge is in progress and temporarily stymied by deletion of one of the articles during the merge. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 05:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit history and talk page of evil albino have now been restored. ~ trialsanderrors 20:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

I added an original research template for the same reasons as the ones I raised in the Evil albino article. 66.229.160.94 01:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chronicles of Narnia

Would the white witch in the chronicals of narnia be considered an example of the 'evil albino' stereotype?

More likely Lewis poking fun at Tolkien's Galadriel. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inversion

Could the evil albino stock character be seen as an inversion of the idea that white equals good and black/dark/nonwhite equals bad/evil/criminal?

Unlikely, IMO; it's more an outgrowth of general fear of difference, coupled with antipathy toward those with disabilities, combined with fear of those with a "deathly" pallor (i.e., superstious fear of "the undead"). — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Societal prejudice and discrimination against people with albinism"

There is a lot of sourcing in the article about 'mass culture' prejudice but this key statement is so far unsourced and POV. Also, Research has established that people with albinism are not physically or mentally different from other people, apart from differences in pigmentation and vision. is undoubtedly true but we need sourcing on this research.

At the moment this article would be better entitled Albino bias in mass culture since it deals with that well but inadequately with the (alledged) sociteal bias.

TerriersFan 01:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure I'd agree with every single word of that, but I do with most of it. Noted, and added to my cleanup to-do list; I'm still awaiting the restoration of Evil albino, so the merge/cleanup effort has been lagging a bit, but I'll try to work on it some tomorrow. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 02:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)