Category talk:Ailurophiles
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This category was nominated for deletion on October 25, 2006, the result was no consensus, the discussion can be seen at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October 25.
[edit] Entries in this category
Some has placed a lot of people in this category without any support for the statement, and in many cases where it is irrelevant. Is it really important to know that Winston Churchill is a cat lover? Remember Wikipedia is not an indesriminate collection of information. I would suggest that nobody is put in this category except people for whom liking cats is significant, like presidents of cat societies. And please can we change the name? DJ Clayworth 13:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'd say not "for whom liking cats is significant", but "whose liking cats is a significant feature". For example Andre Norton was not president of cats society, but cats are all over her novels. `'mikka (t) 16:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- And once again we get hung up, IMHO, on the importance or not of the category to the individuals bio. Categories are to me more important from the other end to see those that are connected by a common factor of their make up. Andy Warhol is another example of one that DJ Clayworth removed the category from. I have restored it because Warhol and his mother had as many as 25 cats at a time and were always giving away kittens. They also became an important subject of his art! Agreed that more of this needs to be in his article here, but the category couldn't be more appropriate for him. It is also very interesting, I believe to see how common intrests and factors in noted persons lives became a networking between these persons. Doc ♬ talk 17:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Adding a category is like any other statement. It needs to be verifiable. The number of cats Warhol's mother had is not mentioned in the article, and there is no reference for it. Without the reference we shouldn't be making an implied statement. With the reference (and ideally some mention of how it affected him - Wikipedia is not a collection of indescriminate information) we can add Warhol - or anyone - to the category). DJ Clayworth 04:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I would say that since DJ Clayworth has shown hostility toward even the category, a rename is not warranted. I have replaced the category in several articles from which it was removed, it is not for a single user to determine what is "relevant". Everyone finds their own points of reference here, ours is just to make the information available. Chris 01:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Nor is it for a single user to determine if it is relevant. For starters, please do not add this category to anyperson for which there are no verifiable sources to back the statement up. Winston Churchill, T.S. Eliot, Pope Benedict and H.P. Lovecraft would be good places to start. Nothing in their articles indicates the slightest interest in cats. So unless you have sources, nobody goes in the category. DJ Clayworth 03:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- User:DJ Clayworth's hostility to this category surprises me. Does anyone have to be told that T. S. Eliot, who wrote Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats, was a ailurophile, or wouldn't most of them be able to gather that from the existence of the book? Ditto H. P. Lovecraft, as indicated below, and several others whose articles do not yet have references. Or, couldn't it be the case that other editors, for whatever reasons, have chosen to take those references out of the articles, for whatever reason? Also, there could be references in articles other than their own articles which mention these facts. If nothing else, categories such as this one might help prevent the effective vandalism of some pages by editors who seek to remove such references. Right now, the category is being used by WikiProject Cats as one of its categories in improving the development and monitoring of articles which relate to the project. If this category is to be so vocally questioned, then I think that all the other categories, including baseball players, etc., from a given area, musicians and writer from a specific area, and on and on and on should be deleted as well. Badbilltucker 22:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] discussion by 201.35.50.222
You forgot H.P. Lovecraft, who loved the cats so much: "The cats of Ulthar", "The Dream-Quest of the Unknown Kadath" and many others confirm this. (unsigned comment by 201.35.50.222)
- No, we didn't forget-djclayworth, above, deleted that reference. Chris 00:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
