Talk:AH-64 Apache
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[edit] MOS
It's 15X for AH-64A and 15Y for AH-64D. Jigen III 12:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe all 15 series are AH-64 related occupations. ElectronFlux 02:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wrong Figure Corrected
Corrected Wrong Figure On The Ownership of 30 AH-64D Apache Longbow attack helicopters by the Republic Of Singapore Airforce. Correct figure should be 20. Thanks. PROJECT-ION PHOENIX 07:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] AH-64D merge into this article
An IP user created AH-64D without noticing this AH-64 article. Most of this Info should already be here and anything more should be integrated leaving AH-64D as redirect. --Denniss 01:29, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Apache in IDF
This article is about the Apache helicopter and its methods of deployment, the way that Israel uses the Apache can be included. However the nature of the targets themselves and their particular ideology is of no concern in this particular situation. The article is centred around the helicopter. It would be absurd to start discussing, and perhaps editorialising the nature of every target of every weapon system in the world. The SLR rifle is not described as being used by the British army against terrorist targets in NI in the 70s, the Abrams tank is not described as being put into action against the despotic and totalitarian republican guard in Iraq. As such i believe that this text
The Israeli Air Force uses the Apaches as a high-tech platform to perform percision strikes with guided missiles against various targets. The AH-64A attacked and destroyed dozens of Hizbullah outposts in Lebanon during the 90's, attacking in all weather conditions - day and night. During the al-Aqsa Intifada, the IAF used the Apaches to target senior Hamas figures, such as Ahmed Yasin and Adnan al-Ghoul with guided missiles.
Is far preferable to this one
The Israeli Air Force uses the Apaches as a high-tech platform to perform percision strikes with guided missiles against terrorist targets. The AH-64A attacked and destroyed dozen of Hizbullah's outposts in Lebanon during the 90's, attacking in all weather conditions - day and night. During the al-Aqsa Intifada, the IAF used the Apaches to target senior Palestinian terrorists (mainly those of Hamas, such as Ahmed Yasin or Adnan al-Ghoul) with guided missiles.
[edit] Vulnerable
The 2003 Iraq invasion showed the Apache vulnerable to dedicated AA vehicles in open terrain. This article appears to ignore that, attempting to make it seem more an issue of mountainous terrain, urban settings, and individual infantry with AA weapons. But the Apache appears to have failed in the very scenario it was designed for. Brainhell 05:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- No, not really. The Apache was designed to help stem a massive Soviet armored invasion of western Europe if the Cold War ever turned hot. Much like the A-10 Thunderbolt, just in helicopter form. It is, in other words, a tank buster through and through. When given that job to perform, like it was in the 1991 Gulf War, it was very capable of doing it's job. The AH-64, as well as the AH-1, were designed to be used in rugged and wooded terrain, where they could hide behind a hill, pop up (or stay behind the hill, using LOAL (lock on after launch) for their Hellfires), and destroy tanks. You see, Iraq lacks two things. One is terrain like Western Europe. Two is sufficient targets for Apaches. In short, no. It didn't fail the job it was designed for. Simply because it isn't doing the job it was designed for. (USMA2010 18:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC))
- I can't think of any aircraft that isn't vulnerable to any dedicated Air Defense system. That would be like saying that the B-17 was shown to be vulnerable to Luftwaffe fighters and German AAA in WWII. The problem is that armoring aircraft to sufficiently withstand air defense weapons would actually negate their mobility, because they would weigh too much. Aircraft manufacturers do what they can within the design limits; make redundant systems, shield critical locations as much as possible without sacrificing too much power for weight, and create systems that can "absorb" battle damage to a certain extent. It is up to the leaders and the aircrews to employ the aircraft in such a way as to maximize its strengths and minimize its weaknesses. The 2003 Iraq invasion showed that the AH-64 was vulnerable to poor planning, or at the very least, poor tactics in the environment encountered. Not a single attack helicopter in the world could have completed the missions in question, with the same errors made, without sustaining similar damage/losses. The issue wasn't with the AH-64 helicopter. --Born2flie 18:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Vulnerable?: The Apache is weapons platform that is meant strike outside of opposing AAA, and enemy radar. in 2003, there had been losses of the Apache to small arms and AAA; however, the support role that the helicopter was playing was not the intended role of this plaform.
And don't forget that even though this platform has its defensive short commings, the Apache was responsible for taking out all iraqi communications bunkers and radar stations in the first Gulf war, enabling the Allied powers to have complete air supremecy. [unsigned]
[edit] Eurocopter Tiger
Shouldn't we place its main competitor the Eurocopter Tiger?
- As I highly doubt the AH-64 will ever go to war with a nation that uses the Tiger, I think that any competitor should be Russian. Perhaps another Western helicopter if you are looking for information on, say, which chopper a nation might choose for its military. (USMA2010 18:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Recorrection
Someone deleted my entry at Films & Media about the AH-64D featured in Battlefield 2. I have since added it back in. if you wish to delete it again, please state your reasons here. Thank you.--202.156.6.54 15:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- It is a common consensus to add only major appearances, not every game/movie where this particular aircraft may be sometimes somewhere available or visible. This consensus is not only used by Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft but several others, too.--Denniss 16:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- I would like to say something: it is not "sometimes available or visible". Tn fact, it is one of only the two attack helicopters of the Special Forces expansion pack frequently appearing in the game, and as far as experience has shown me, it is not simply an "extra" to the game. It is integral and very much part of the gameplay.--Ariedartin 14:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- As said, the consensus was either it played a major role (AH-64 flight sim, movie with a starring role) or it is left out (a flight sim with AH-64 as one of many available aircraft, a movie with some shots of an AH-64) --Denniss 14:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- I would like to say something: it is not "sometimes available or visible". Tn fact, it is one of only the two attack helicopters of the Special Forces expansion pack frequently appearing in the game, and as far as experience has shown me, it is not simply an "extra" to the game. It is integral and very much part of the gameplay.--Ariedartin 14:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Picture label
- Picture labelled "US Army AH-64 provides air support during raid in Remagen, Iraq, Feb. 24, 2006."
Is Remagen in Iraq? I thought it was a German town? A bit of research shows that there is a military base in Iraq that has been called Forward Operating Base Remagen, but any raid launched from there would not be in Remagen. This base is in Tikrit so I think the picture should be relabelled.--Wikipediatastic 14:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WAH-64 is better?
This Helicopter is a cut above the American counterpart; Its speed is quicker, has more arnament and its power output is higher due to its superior Rolls-Royce built engines.
- That may be true, but you can't just claim that. You have to have reputable sources, otherwise it is considered original research, and that is not allowed on Wikipedia. -- BillCJ 00:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
