User talk:Ae871

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Can I ask why you keep insisting on adding the Slums of Toronto link to the Toronto article? It has nothing to do with tourism and is about disgruntled tenants. Go ahead and create an article on the PTA, perhaps it deserves one, but it doesn't deserve to have a link from the Toronto page, most definitely not under the Tourism section. Ben W Bell 14:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

What's to ask? He's obviously miffed about Parkdale. A classic case of POV-pushing, not acceptable on Wikipedia at least not for the Toronto article. Maybe some form of it is useful in the Parkdale article, otherwise revert at will.Jok2000 15:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

In fact, the new agency, Slum Tourism Toronto, created by the Parkdale Tenants Association, is geared directly to tourists and will be offering a free "Slums Unlimited" bus tour of several Toronto slum neighbourhoods to show tourists another, less glossy, side of Toronto starting February 2, as featured on their website. Don't you think tourists should see the true character of a city, warts and all? The Parkdale Tenants Association, which has been around more than 30 years, and is quite well respected, obviously feels that by showing tourists a different side of Toronto than what they usually see on a traditional tour, the City and the Province will improve conditions and make Toronto a better city for everybody, one that all Torontonians will be proud to call home, not just those who can afford decent accomodations. I'm not sure why you consider this a less worthy tourist site than any other. Their upcoming bus tour has received widespread international attention and has been featured in literally thousands of articles as far away as India, Australia and Italy as well as on ABC News and MSNBC. Hope that clears it up. I believe this falls under the guidelines of Wikipedia and is in the appropriate category. It is not POV-pushing. There is no editorial comment about these issues on the Toronto page. It is simply listed as an external tourism website, which is exactly what it is, even if some people don't approve of this particular style of tourism.

Why haven't you created an article on the PTA? It isn't tourism and should not pretend to be. However, if you create an article on Parkdale Tenants Association you could make it a "see also" on the Toronto article. - Tεxτurε 17:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

You have said they will be providing proper tourist tours of the Toronto slums. In that case you are promoting a single business or agency which is against the Wikipedia policies. Ben W Bell 17:52, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I'm glad we've come to a compromise on Toronto. You should still consider creating a new article on Parkdale Tenants Association and maybe even Slum tourism. It is an encyclopedic topic and could give more visibility to your cause. - Tεxτurε 18:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Please see the bottom of the page suggestion at the Talk:Toronto page. I hope we can work this problem out and spare everyone the effort of revert-revert-revert. Cheers, Madmagic 21:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)