Talk:Adriaen van der Donck

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Contents 1 Article on same subject 2 Chronology issue 3 Edit protect? 4 "Yonkers" derivation? 5 Re Vandalism: There needs to be an IP block, quick 6 Re "Yonkers" derivation?

[edit] Article on same subject

There is an article on the same subject: Adriaen Van der Donck

Alan Pascoe 22:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, that's rather annoying - it's only two weeks younger than this article. I've put merge tags on, so hopefully it'll be sorted out quickly. — Laura Scudder ☎ 23:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the other article should be merged into this one, there's a lot more info in the other one, it would make a pretty good article if its merged properly. — Wackymacs 20:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I've started merging. Since no specific facts are cited, I'm moving the nonoverlapping references into a Further reading section until I take a look at them. — Laura Scudder ☎ 21:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I think I'm satisfied with the merge, so I've removed the tags and made Adriaen Van der Donck into a redirect. There's quite a lot of material there that I thought was a bit much, but it's all still in that page's history. — Laura Scudder ☎ 00:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chronology issue

It seems that the dates for Van der Donck's acquisition of Yonkers, which were based on Jerimiah Johnson's 1841 book according to Adriaen Van der Donck, don't jive with modern sources (in particular I've just checked Van Gastel's "Rhetorical Ambivalence" and Gehring's introduction in In Mohawk Country). I thought I'd checked all the dates in Adriaen Van der Donck before using them but apparently not, so the chronology is adjusting accordingly. — Laura Scudder ☎ 23:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit protect?

Any way we could get this article edit protected ASAP for a while to try and stop the vandalism? I'm not quite sure where to post the request. Hbackman 04:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I've requested protection at Wikipedia:Requests for protection. You might get a faster response contacting an admin directly though via a talkpage or IRC. — Laura Scudder ☎ 04:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Yonkers" derivation?

The article says Yonkers is named after van der Donck. How so? Is it the "onk" sound?.. I've heard a completely different explanation for the town name. JDG 04:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

It's explained in the body as deriving from the title he was called by, Jonkheer. — Laura Scudder ☎ 04:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah-- I was told that a more accurate rendering of the Dutch is "young heir", as opposed to "squire". There was also something about the land sitting tenantless for a while because the person it had been willed to (presumably van der Donck) was on business in Europe, so people would refer to it as the "Young heir's" place. And "heir" referred literally to the land being granted as a stipulation in a will. JDG

Never heard that one before. It sounds suspicioiusly like a folk etymology, but then again all I know is what I've read about Van der Donck. — Laura Scudder ☎ 07:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I was born and raised in Yonkers, and that has always been my understanding of the origin of the city's name. --Nelson Ricardo 11:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

From the city of Yonkers's webpage:

In the late 1640's (about 20 years after Peter Minuit bought Manhattan Island), Adriaen Van der Donck received grant of land from the Dutch East India Company which he called Colon Donck (“Donck’s Colony”), and built one of the first saw mills in the New World at the junction of the Hudson and Nepperhan Rivers. Van der Donck was referred to as Jonk Herr ("young Gentleman" or "young Nobleman") by reason of his status in Holland, and these words evolved through several changes to the Jonk Heer's land and The Younckers, The Yonkers and finally to the present Yonkers.

The "young heir" surely originated as a misinterpretation of the Dutch Jonkheer by later English-speakers. — Laura Scudder ☎ 15:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re Vandalism: There needs to be an IP block, quick

Somehow we need to block a certain range of IPs from editing and creating new accounts. Though this will probably block legit users as well, this is just too silly to allow. Greentubing 04:19, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re "Yonkers" derivation?

Dutch is my native language. "Jonkheer" is indeed a rank of lower level nobility, pretty close to "squire". RB