Talk:Administrative divisions of Portugal

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[edit] New NUTS Regions/subregions?

So is it official that Portugal is using these new NUTS regions and subregions? If so, how does the hierarchy work? Regions, subregions, municipalities? Thanks! Rarelibra 14:42 7 FEB 06

[edit] Cleanup

I marked the article for cleanup because it contains references to several divisions that don't really exist and it doesn't contain a single reference to the MAJOR subdivision of the country, the municipality. Afonso Silva 12:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I tried to do something with this mess and I've added the municipality reference. Can someone help improve it? Gameiro 18:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

All the regions and subregions in the article exist and are official. As the article stated, there are also some historic regions that were discontinued. The NUTS II regions are instrumental in European Union's Structural Fund delivery mechanisms. Page Up 00:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they are statistic regions, not administrative regions, Portugal is still divided into districts and municipalities, those are the two administrative regions, with political powers, this article is like a list with some original research, do you find it pretty? And there is almost nothing about the municipality, which is the most important divisions, at least, the one you vote for and pay taxes for and lots of other things you certainly know. The power is in the hands of the municipalities, not in the NUTS III, that's just EU stuff. Do you agree? Afonso Silva 09:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The subdivisons are not merely a power issue, they handle every aspect of government, sociocultural and statistical matters. If you wish, you can expand a section about concelhos and freguesias, but the NUTS subdivisions are also important and an actual reality. Maybe in a couple of years we won't hear about anything else. Page Up 13:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't care about what we will hear about in the future, as you surely know, wikipedia is not a crystal ball. And I don't know any kind of movement in the Portuguese society trying to create a subdivision structure based on NUTS III regions. The subdivisions are mainly a power issue, and I think that should be the basis for the article. Along with that thing of the NUTS III we have the metropolitan areas and intermunicipal communities, do we have two subidivision schemes? We don't. Actually, the latter are just a failure. We will have changes in the Portuguese subdivision structure sooner or later, sure, but right now, the article is quite bad, it looks like a list, it is incomplete and needs updating. Afonso Silva 19:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree when you say Intermunicipal Communities are a failure. In fact you can even say they are totally irrelevant in Portugal, but for the other side, that doesn't mean the NUTS divisions doesn't have any value. As you surely know, they are different things. I just hope you don't remove the references about NUTS, because NUTS divisions are absolutely relevant information to this article. And when you talk about NUTS II, you must talk about the NUTS III which are subdivisions of NUTS II. I will add external sources to the NUTS section in order to dissipate any doubt. Page Up 20:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I will not remove any reference to NUTS, they are useful, I think you misunderstood my point. Along with that, I dislike editing an article against other cotnributor opinion, that's why I started this discussion. I just think the article shows that the Portuguese subdivision structure is mainly based on the european NUTS, that's wrong. I think we need a text explaining the nature of both types of subdivisions and separate sections for NUTS and Districts-Municipalities-Parishes, and, more important than that, the article is just a list with lots of info about the intermunicipal communities. Afonso Silva 20:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok Afonso, I understand. Do your best. Regards. Page Up 20:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with the proposed changes. Since Portugal does not have a very clear division (we have the statistical and economical division - NUTS and the political division - Districts and Municipalities) I think that those ambiguities should be adressed and made clear in any future revision of this article. Any other considerations should (the irrelevant ComUrb and similiar stuff), by now, be mentioned in a third part of the article. User:prvc 13:20 12/05/2006