Talk:Acura RL
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[edit] RL=Really lame
I enjoy the speculation on the page about what "RL" really means. I saw one of these the other day and I thought I was looking at a Accord or a new TL. Wow, what a boring car the RL is. Where does my $50K go? This car is outrageously priced for what it is given what the competition is offering, above all a V8 powerplant, and imposing looks, which is what moves cars in this segment. CJ DUB 19:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.. Here is some food for thought:
- an electromagnetic all-wheel drive system that can bias the torque left and right - active noise cancellation - DVD surround sound with XM - 290 hp V-6 (double what some V-8's made not too long ago!) - high quality leather and real wood - Best in the industry navigation system with traffic alerts
Thats just to name a few. I smell troll.
[edit] Full Size?
I am pretty sure that this is a mid-size sedan ... especially since the other cars in its class (Lexus GS)is considered mid-sized. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.2.175.113 (talk • contribs).
- WP's own full-size car article states that to be fullsize, a car has to have a wheelbase of more than 110 in (Imperial measures here for you American guys). The RL has 110.5, so it's one of the smallest, but still a fullsize car. Bravada, talk - 00:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge request
The rationale for the merge request is that the standards adopted by WikiProject Automobiles specify that an article on a given model should be named the way the model is named in the home market. Acura Legend and Acura RL are American-market-only nameplates applied to the same car (made it the same factory) known elsewhere, including its "home" Japanese market, as Honda Legend. Therefore, it is only logical to have all the models and generations described as Honda Legend, with redirects and explanation of North American marketing.
Please also note that Honda Legend has already been marked as Category:Executive cars. Acura RL has not been sold in Europe as such, so it generally cannot be labelled as an executive car, while the category would add it to the list of executive cars, creating the impression that both Legend and RL were sold in the markets where the "executive car" classification functions.
Regards, Bravada, talk - 09:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, if the Acura Legend will be merged with the Honda Legend, I agree that the RL should be merged with it. If the Acura Legend should not be merged with the namesake Honda, then the RL should be merged with the Acura Legend article, since the RL was a replacement for the Legend. ←T•h•e R.S.J.→ 18:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Don't worry, they will all be merged into the Honda, so you can remove the other tag, which is confusing. I just needed to leave some "grace period" for eventual protests or such, and I have to find time to reconcile everything :D Just a bit patience please - or do execute the merge yourself! Bravada, talk - 18:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Similar to RL
I'd say a midsize FWD/AWD luxury car is more similar to an FWD and AWD midsize luxury car than a RWD vehicle. A 9-5 or S80 would thus be closer than a GS or M, especially for the 1st generation. IFCAR 21:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Technically, the old Legend (I mean 1st/2nd-gen RL) is rather more similar to RWD cars than to transverse engine FWD cars, just like the Audi A6. It is also much bigger than the Saab and significantly than the Volvo. In 2001, the Acura RL was priced much higher in the US than base S80's or 9-5's, actually even higher than the GS 300. I guess it was more aimed against the Japanese rivals than European executive cars, especially given the size. Bravada, talk - 23:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- It definitely competes with the others more, but I had been under the impression that the "similar" category focused more on design than direct competition. And for what it's worth, the RL has had trouble selling within $5,000 of its sticker price, typically retailing in the low $40ks, which is closer to the 9-5 and S80. IFCAR 01:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- As I said, technically it is the closest to the A6, and closer to RWD cars than transversely-engined FWD executives. I of course agree that this field should not boil down to "competition", and I'd be happy to see only the A6 in this field actually ("less is more"), but I see more reason to direct the users to Infiniti and Lexus as "similar" vehicles (in general concept, i.e. luxury Japanese cars, sold in North America under their own brand) than random FWD European executives. BTW, according to cars.msn.com, currently the RL retails for approx. $44-47K, which is about $5K below MSRPs, but still more than base GS's, M's, or even BMW 5ers! The 9-5 sets you back 1/4 to 1/3 less, and the outgoing S80 does not even near $40K in the most expensive version.
- In the more balanced European market, or more precisely - UK market ("Target Price" from WhatCar.com), the more loaded versions of the new S80 manage to outdo the Legend, but certainly not the 9-5, which does not even come with a petroleum V6. The Legend's pricing is also comparable to mid-range A6's and loaded versions of GS 300. Again, I'd say that if you believe Lexus and Infiniti shouldn't be there, only the A6 is really entitled to occupy that field, for the AWD and longitudinally mounted engine. Bravada, talk - 01:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- It definitely competes with the others more, but I had been under the impression that the "similar" category focused more on design than direct competition. And for what it's worth, the RL has had trouble selling within $5,000 of its sticker price, typically retailing in the low $40ks, which is closer to the 9-5 and S80. IFCAR 01:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
