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Contents 1 Brazil 2 Northern Ireland 3 Broken image 4 New Zealand 5 Problems 6 Germany and Austria? 7 Luxembourg 8 South Dakota 9 Changes to Australia 10 Differences? 11 Spain - Portugal 12 Legend question 13 South Korea 14 Faroe Islands

[edit] Brazil

Brazil should be in orange, as it allows abortion in rape cases. Article 128 of the Brazilian Penal Code reads: 'Art. 128 - It is not punishable the abortion practiced by a physician:

Necessary abortion

I - if there is no other mean to save the pregnant woman's life;

Abortion in the case of pregnancy resulting from rape

II - if pregnancy results from rape and abortion is preceeded by consentment from the pregnant woman or, when unable, her legal representation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.6.198.34 19:48, 12 March 2006 (talk • contribs).

I actually amended this a couple of weeks ago. However, someone reverted to an older version of the file. Re-uploaded the newer, fixed version. -Kyd 07:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Ireland

Does UK abortion law really differ in Northern Ireland than from the rest of the kingdom, to the degree that it is essentially identical to the policy of the Republic? I tend to doubt it. LeoO3 06:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

According to this site, Northern Ireland permits abortion only in the exception of saving the woman's live; however, the law is also interpreted to include the preservation of both physical and mental health. This would place it under the same category as The Republic of Ireland: "Illegal with exception for maternal life, health, and/or mental health." -Kyd 08:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken image

--Boborok 08:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand

How old is the data, to my best knowledge abortion is fully legal in New Zealand —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.88.79.176 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Problems

I tried updating the map. However, there seem to be issues with in the appearance and/or creation of in-article thumb nails, so I reverted to an older version. The changes I made included reverting the status of Northern Ireland from green to red, as abortion is forbidden there, despite the fact that it is a part of the United Kingdom (see BBC News, "Q&A: Abortion in NI"), and moving the legend from the bottom of the image to the side. Anyone know what's up? -Severa (!!!) 02:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

What were you trying to change? – Zntrip 02:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, to change Northern Ireland from green to red, and to move the legend from the bottom to the side. I have tried reverting to older versions, using the Wikicommons version (Image:AbortionLawsMap.png), and uploading an entirely new version (Image:AbortionLawsAroundtheWorld.png). Still, there is a problem loading thumbnails within articles at certain sizes. I am at my wit's end. -Severa (!!!) 02:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean that in some articles the image hasn't changed? It takes a while for the change to effect articles. – Zntrip 04:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

No. The images are showing thumbnails at some sizes but not at others. -Severa (!!!) 05:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm realy not that good with this stuff. Try the Wikipedia Computer help desk. – Zntrip 05:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. -Severa (!!!) 05:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I read at the Help Desk and Village pump that other users are encountering the same problem. The solution is to purge the image page multiple times until the thumbnail icons reappear at the desired size. -Severa (!!!) 13:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Germany and Austria?

What color are Germany and Austria meant to be? I haven't read the laws, but a very talkative woman I met there made it sound readily available. Looking at de: Schwangerschaftsabbruch it seems that an abortion is available in Germany in the first 12 weeks after completing an offsite consultation, or at any time for the heath of the mother or fetal defects. Austria looks pretty similar. Is there a reason they're a special color that I'm overlooking? — Laura Scudder ☎ 14:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The "striped" colour, in fact, represents two colours: blue ("Legal on demand") and orange ("Illegal with exception for rape, maternal life, health, and/or mental health"). It is used to denote countries in which abortion is technically illegal, but where the termination of pregnancies goes unpunished, or the law is unenforced.

See the discussion "Abortion law in US and Germany" at Talk:Abortion law. A resident of Germany informed me that, in his country, first trimester abortion is, "against the law, but not punishable" — a product of the combination of the opposing abortion laws of East and West Germany after unification in the 1990s. See Abortion in Germany. Apparently, the same holds true in Austria, but I can't find the discussion that lead to its designation being changed at the moment. -Severa (!!!) 10:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I see now. The stripes meld into a new color when not at full size and I was wondering what that color was supposed to be. — Laura Scudder ☎ 17:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

But i think the country should not in "striped" colour; blie ("Legal on demand") is more correct. Women have during the first three month on demand the right for abortion. They only have a talk for help to follow.GLGerman 00:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but you are wrong. In germany abortion is illegal but will not be enforced. Maybe you talk about the situation in austria which I do not know. --89.12.90.99 19:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Luxembourg

AFAIK, abortion is available on demand in Luxembourg, i.e. it should be cyan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stereo (talk • contribs) 23:15, 16 June 2006 .

According to Abortion Policies: A Global Review, published by the U.N. in 1997, abortion is permitted in Luxembourg in these circumstances: "when the continuation of the pregnancy or the living conditions that may result from the birth are likely to endanger the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; when there is a serious risk that the child will be born with a serious disease, physical malformation or considerable mental defects; or when the pregnancy can be considered as resulting from rape." If you check the "External links" section of the article, Abortion law, most sources agree it is allowed on "socioeconomic grounds," although with strict informed consent and waiting period requirements.

Do you have more up-to-date or detailed information on the current legal status of abortion in your country? -Severa (!!!) 13:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

It looks like you are right indeed – I apologise. The law appears to be applied quite liberally though. I'll see if I can find more information. --Stereo 01:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Dakota

• Can someone more knowledgeable than me in terms of updating the map please change South Dakota back to legal on demand? The law recently passed by the state legislature is essentially of null effect unless it such time as it survives a court challenge. For the time being, at the very least, abortion is still legal in South Dakota. --DMG413 00:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to Australia

I've just uploaded a new version with some changes to the Australia section, based on (my interpretation of) Abortion in Australia. Basically: the law differs in the states/territories, so the borders need to be added (even if it's mostly the same for the purposes of this map). The ACT has "abortion on demand". I read the page as saying that in NSW, the anti-abortion laws are unenforceable, whereas in the other states they may or may not be unenforced, so that's why NSW is different from the rest. But maybe it shouldn't be ... —Felix the Cassowary 15:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

The map was originally intended to cover international, not intra-national, laws. Too much information to process at once. Thus, I recently removed the U.S. state boundaries, and you should probably revert the Australian borders too. Why not create an individual map to cover the specific state-by-state legality of abortion in Australia (see Abortion maps)? I've been meaning to do so myself, but I've been unable to find an up-to-date, neutral breakdown of Australia's state laws. -Severa (!!!) 03:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not possible to do that while being accurate. I got the impression that abortion is a national issue in the US and most countries from reading the articles surrounding this, but in Australia it's a state issue, so there's no national abortion law, and no color you could do. Regarding an up-to-date, neutral breakdown, do you have some particular problem with the article I referred to? (Regarding Victoria, it's quite likely to become "on demand" after the state election due this November, against the will of the (current and almost certainly future) Premier.) —Felix the Cassowary 03:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

(reset indent) There is a limit to the amount of information which can reasonably be conveyed in visual format. If we try to cram in too much, we'll only succeed in overwhelming the viewer, or rendering the map confusing. I understand that the legality of abortion in Australia varies from state to state, as it does in the United States, but many national laws must be "generalized." It is already hard enough for some to distinguish international borders at this resolution without throwing more into the mix. I recommend the creation of another colour code, "varies by region," in keeping with with Abortion law. Perhaps horizontal stripes? You or I could always make a seperate map of Australia if you want to cover the states individually.-Severa (!!!) 04:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

it is probably better with Australian borders removed, it seems they were missed in the last reversion to 'Remove intranational borders', have removed them now. A separate map should be made for the article Abortion in Australia --Astrokey44 06:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Severa, the varies by state idea makes sense, and means the state boundries of Australia wouldn’t like quite so odd because of the projection. :) —Felix the Cassowary 15:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I updated the map to include a new "varies by region" designation. I was slightly at a loss as to what colours to select for the stripes, as using all the colours featured in Astrokey's map below would again be informational overkill, thus defeating the entire purpose of removing the state borders in the the first place. I suppose I could apply the same logic used by the Center for Reproductive Rights' world abortion map and base classification upon the laws of the most populous states. I chose brown as a second colour because three states in Astrokey's map were brown. Let me know if this isn't logical. I can change the colours used. -Severa (!!!) 02:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

is this correct? --Astrokey44 23:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

"South Territory" should be "South Australia"; it's actually a state. As far as the data's concerned, it's probably right according to the legislative intent. As for the international map, why not make "varies by region" black? It'd be easier to distinguish. —Felix the Cassowary 10:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

My bad on "South Territory." Sorry. Thanks to Astrokey for correcting it. I also altered the world map from horizontal lines to solid charcoal (pure black, unfortunately, made Australia resemble a Rorschach blot). -Severa (!!!) 18:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Differences?

What are the differences between green, brown, and orange? I don't quite understand. The Jade Knight 19:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

orange has more restrictions - abortion legal only for rape, maternal life and health - brown is legal for those with the addition of fetal defects - light green has legal for those reasons with the addition of socioeconomic factors --Astrokey44 01:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spain - Portugal

I think the colour in Spain isn t correct. On CNN was a report, that in Portugal will be in winter 2007 a election over the question abortion. And until now many women of Portugal went to Spain because in Spain is a more liberal abortion law.GLGerman 00:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC) The colour in Spain should be blue (abortion on demand)GLGerman 00:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

If you think this should be changed you should provide some proof or sources for this information. --89.12.90.99 19:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

According to Abortion Policies:A Global Review, Spain's current designation ("Legal for rape, maternal life, health, fetal defects, and/or mental health") is correct. -Severa (!!!) 17:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legend question

"Legal for or illegal with exception for rape, maternal life, health, fetal defects, and/or mental health"

Shouldn't that just be "illegal with exception for rape, maternal life, health, fetal defects, and/or mental health"?

Its very confusingly worded —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.47.227.234 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 23 October 2006.

In New Zealand, abortion is technically permitted only for these reasons, but, most New Zealanders wouldn't consider it "illegal" there because the mental health clause is interpreted broadly by doctors. However, in other countries, abortion is clearly illegal, but with the same set of criteria (save for mental health) as exceptions to the ban. The wording was selected to accommodate both, thus, removing us of the need to create yet another colour to crowd up the legend. -Severa (!!!) 16:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Korea

I think South Korea is the wrong color. --75.72.170.94 22:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I have altered the status from blue ("Legal on demand") to brown ("Legal for rape, maternal life, health, fetal defects, and/or mental health"), in accordance with information from Abortion Laws of the World, Abortion Policies: A Global Review, and A Global Review of Laws on Induced Abortion, 1985-1997. I hope that this amends the error. -Severa (!!!) 08:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Faroe Islands

The Faroe Islands have stricter abortion laws than Denmark, abortions are only allowed in cases of rape, risk to mother's health or risk of fetal defects. So they should be brown. --Bjarki 23:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I've changed the map accordingly. -Severa (!!!) 08:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)