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[edit] Proof that Kalam was a Newspaper Vendor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2043527.stm

The article states His father owned boats which he rented out to local fishermen, but he (Kalam) himself began his career as a newspaper vendor.

Any objection you guys have for me adding this.--138.88.117.66 17:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I also feel we need to talk more about him accomplishments such as HAL Tejas (It's also known as LCA)--138.88.117.66 18:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

So no objections to me changing it then ?--71.163.69.149 22:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Avul Pakir Jainulabdeen Abdul Kalam claims that he is NOT a Muslim. His parents were Muslim, but he claims to read Hindu literature, to practice vegetarianism, and does not attend a mosque. Can anybody provide any more detail? -- Zoe

All I know is that every radio report and news article I've come across so far in the Western media mentioning him claims that he is A) a "moderate" Muslim and B) also well-versed in the Hindu sacred literature. (And therefore more acceptable to Hindus, and offensive to some Muslims who see him as a sign that a real Muslim would not be acceptable to the Indian public.) An NPR report I remember listening to a week or two ago claimed he "quotes the Mahabharata almost as often as he does the Koran". I'd definitely want more documentation before changing that characterization in the article... --Brion VIBBER

From the 07/19/2002 Los Angeles Times: "Although born to Muslim parents, Kalam, 71, does not describe himself as Muslim. He reads Hindu scriptures each day and is a vegetarian." -- Zoe

Dr Kalam, is a Muslim, as he writes in his books Ignited Minds, and Wings of Fire,

and I have personally read them. --Muthiah Annamalai 05:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

When he was inauguarated as President there was a lot of writing in the Indian papers about whether he was a real Muslim. Some of the more orthodox Indian Muslims felt that because he read the Kural and Gita he wasn't really a Muslim. Kalam himself identifies himself as a Muslim (and has done that on numerous occasions), I even remember an article about him visiting the shrine of Gharib Nawaz, a famous Indian Sufi, and that I think should be enough evidence to suggest that he is a Muslim. I'm Hindu but I've read the Bible and liked it, that doesn't make me a non-Hindu. It isn't for some cleric to decide who is or isn't a Muslim because Islam does not have that kind of organization (as opposed to say Catholicism or any other organised church where the Pope etc can excommunicate you). As long as he says he's a Muslim (which he explicitly does) that should be enough

Cancel request to see Talk. — Toby 15:25 Jul 23, 2002 (PDT)

I called Islam his "family's" faith again, due to the LA Times quotation above by Zoe. But if Muslim scholars consider him Muslim (even if he does not call himself that), then I will put that in the article as well. -- Toby Bartels 23:56, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Increasing intelligence through bio-implants

I've searched online but haven't been able to find any news site or other website that refers to Abdul Kalam's support for research to increase intelligence through bio-implants, mentioned on this page. It would be useful to have a reference for this on the page, as it sounds pretty radical. --RajeevA.

[edit] Newspaper seller?

I've been told that Kalam was broke used to sell newspapers as a kid. Since Wikipedia does not mention this, I'm guessing that it is an urban legend. Can anyone confirm the validity of this? If it does happen to be true, I guess that it should be added.

He does mention in his autobiography "Wings of Fire" that he did use to sell newspapers as a kid, so i guess it must be true !

[edit] Re : Newspaper seller?

It's not an Urban Legend. Like you said, it was in his Autobiography "Wings Of Fire". Yes it is True. Sohil

[edit] Present Political system

Respected sir,

If we analyse the present political system, their prime motive to come in to power. To come in to power they will promise before electins which is just impossible to implement. To retain the power of coalliation government they are keeping their moral valus aside.

he wasnt broke, but as a kid he did help out a relayive or friend in distributing newspapers (its in his biography 'wings of fire') tessanoth

I doubt Abdul Kalam is anything like that. Besides Presidential elections in India have little to do with the public. The Autobiography came out after he was elected. Besides if Krishna Kanth didn't die (Yes the former VP had no intention of running) I doubt Kalam would even have been considered.

One must also take note that Presidents in India don't have much power. He by far has done more than every president in the past 30 years put together. He I think also won the election on his weight with the involvement of Operation Shakthi and his involvement with ISRO etc and his status as a National Hero.

--138.88.81.141 00:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dr Kalam as a poet

Dr Kalam happens to write poetry. there is no mention of that in this article sumal 13:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External link

Hi, I would like to add an external link to the World of Biography entry to this article. Does anybody have any objections ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jameswatt (talk • contribs) 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Note: This user has added similar requests to link to biographies hosted on the same site to about 50 different articles. Although I believe that these requests were made in good faith, adding the links to all of the articles would be spamming. In addition, the biographies tend to be not very insightful and/or minimally informative, and the webpages contain Google AdSense links.

A fuller explanation of my own opinion on these links can be found here, if anyone wishes to read it.

Hbackman 23:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the words "his family's faith" as it is misleading.Bharatveer 04:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Constitution of India, Part IV-A, Fundamental Duties

Constitution of India, Part IV-A, Fundamental Duties.

Article 51A : It shall be the duty of every citizens of India -

(h) to develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform.

Comment : Present President APJ Abdul Kalam (I say muslim President) offers chaddar to Ajmer sharif Officially and in the article the President of India and profiles of APJ Abdul Kalam it is given that he is Scientist, Missile Technologist. The Wikipedia Encyclopedia gives some contradictory information.

vkvora 17:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

huh??! --h y dka t 20:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Red Tape, Bureaucracy, Corruption, Political corruption, Bribery, Extortion, Graft, Money Laundering all are part and parcel of Religon. vkvora 05:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Your blabbering :( This section is meant to discuss how to improve the article, plz create a blog page in livejournal or blogger.com if you want to promote your opinion, and people interested in it might read it there. Thank you! --h y dka t 20:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not a tamil politician

Abdul Kalam was never a politician. I fail to see how he can be classified under Category:Tamil politicians ... removing it. --h y dka t 22:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Abdul Kalam was and is a politician. He has taken more than 15 days to sign the bill where as in Constitution of India it is clearly given as soon as possible. Only the question is how deal is completed is not know to general public. He is also part and parcel of Corruption. User:Vkvora2001|vkvora]] 11:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Your above comments is a blatant point of view supported by nonsensical statements--h y dka t 12:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Any appliction for New Ration Card is withhold and reason best known to concerned clerk, Inspector or rationing Officer. Corruption start.

[edit] Trivia

in the trivia section , please make corrections.it say "he is the first president to fly ..."...he didnt fly a bomber.he took a sortie accompanied by the pilot who flew the craft.its a blunder to say kalam was the first president to fly a fighter.he was the first to fly IN a fighter.make that correction.....thanks.dinesh. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.251.19.29 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 20 August 2006.

[edit] about Article111, of the Indian Constitution

I read Article-111, its very ambiguous about when the president should pass the bill if he must. I've removed an edit saying the president should do so 'as soon as possible': [1]

 Article 111: Assent to Bills
 When a Bill has been passed by the Houses of Parliament,it 
 shall be presented to the President, and the President 
 shall declare either that he assents to the Bill, or that 
 he withholds assent therefrom: Provided that the President 
 may, as soon as possible after the presentation to him of 
 a Bill for assent, return the Bill if it is not a Money 
 Bill to the Houses with a message requesting that they 
 will reconsider the Bill or any specified provisions 
 thereof and, in particular, will consider the desirability 
 of introducing any such amendments as he may recommend in 
 his message, and when a Bill is so returned, the Houses 
 shall reconsider the Bill accordingly, and if the Bill is 
 passed again by the Houses with or without amendment and 
 presented to the President for assent, the President 
 shall not withhold assent therefrom.

--h y dka t 13:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no ambigity in the Article. It is clearly written and why APJ Abdul Kalam the President of India has withhold the Bill is a main question. Not only that it is self impeachment to APJ Abdul Kalam also. vkvora 15:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I think your main grudge is that he took an undue amount of time to pass some bill... that any delay in his part amounts to an impeachable offense. Understand that this is your POV. --h y dka t 10:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Profit Bill presented for assent was returned by APJ Abdul Kalam the President of India for reconsideration. Both the Houses have passed the same Bill without any single change or without amendment and assented by APJ Abdul Kalam. This is self impeachment leads to Harakiri only except ???. vkvora 11:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see how... --h y dka t 11:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The last line of Article 111 is ...the President shall not withhold assent.... vkvora 13:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

then why are you adding the word "immediately " then??Bharatveer 03:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I put back the part that says he comes from the Marakkar Community in South India. He is also not the only one from that community to achieve recognition, so I added is one the few --h y dka t 07:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: If you believe he is not from that particular community plz delete... --h y dka t 07:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Identity

Identity section especially 2nd Paragraph seems to be totally unsourced. (It talks totally irrelevant subjects like Congress views,Communist views,BJP views about India) which don't need to be mentioned in Biography article of Indian president. It does not have specific message. I feel that section needs to be removed or to be modified with citations or more specific message.

I have removed that paragraph which is original research.--Indianstar 11:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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