Talk:Abd al-Rahman al-Jabarti

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you have any evidence that he was of the Jabarti tribe? All the biographies I've seen state that his name comes from the village of Jabart, where his family originated. Do you have a source for this, or are you guessing? --Dgilman 21:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC) But why to remove his categorization as an "Arab historian"? Athkalani 19:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I found some more sources saying that he was born in 1753, so I'll accept that date, but the actual date he said he was born in was A.H. 1167, which spans 1753 and 1754 (it's odd that my source would say 1752, then). Another says the he was born in 1754, but I believe that 1167 overlaps most with 1753, so I do not object to that date. I don't know why you reverted my {{fact}}, however, as it is justified. You claim that it is commonly known, but only provide evidence that one scholar believes that. Another source also says that he died in either 1825 or 1826, so the year must have been A.H. 1242. Does 1242 span 1825 more than 1826? Should we note the AH dates and point out the slight variation? Also, I found another source, and apparently al-Jabarti was from the al-Jabart region near Zeila in Somalia, under Ethiopian control. His name comes from his 7th-degree grandfather "Abd al-Rahman" went from there first to Mecca and then Medina before moving to Egypt and joining the Jabarti community there in the Jabarti Riwaq of Al-Azhar University (the other 2 Jabarti riwaqs were in the mosques of Mecca and Medina). All of this is according to al-Jabarti's writing. Citation: The Historian al-Jabartī and His Background, by David Ayalon. Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, 1960, pp.237-8. I am going to insert this info, since it is from al-Jabarti's own words. Be careful with your edits Egyegy, you have reached the 3RR limit (and I think passed it). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 19:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

On what grounds? That you've been edit-warring on this article like you always do on any Egypt-related article that you touch? Stop trying to inject false information and fringe theories into Egyptian articles, although it seems that asking you to do that is like asking you not to be implanted on Wikipedia 24/7 like you do everyday. Egyegy 22:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The information I found is by al-Jabarti himself, so I believe it is the most reliable. It's unlikely to be false information, and it's certainly not a fringe theory if it's from al-Jabarti's own words. I have not been edit-warring on this article. I have reverted once or twice, but my other edits have been attempts to change the way the article presents the information to come to a consensus version, unlike your reverts. I don't see how you can reject information written by al-Jabarti himself. Note that I have listed this at the request for comments page (under history) to get an outside opinion. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 23:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Works

I don't think it's right that he's known also for his account of the French expedition in Egypt. To my knowledge, all of his historiographic writing is in his chronicle, and a translator many years later excerpted portions and published it as Napoleon in Egypt. That's not a volume that al-Jabarti ever intended to publish, so it wouldn't be quite accurate to say that he is known for it. Perhaps we should alter the entry to reflect this? --Dgilman 19:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)