Talk:99 Names of God

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O those of the only and true faith! Please merge the articles 99 Names of God and Ninety-nine names of Allah and may Allah reward you. Mikkalai 01:03, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

There are two differences between this list and the list in the french article:

  • Allah is mentionned there (in first place) and not here;
  • their #67 corresponds to two names here, #66 and #67 (are these actually a unique name?):
    • #66: Al-Wahid: The One, The Unique
    • #67: Al-Ahad: The Only, The Unique

who's right ? --FvdP 17:56, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

If there are 99 names, why are 100 listed? Is this a mistake, or am I ignorant of some aspect of Islamic theology that would explain this? --wayne 19:45, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

While the hadith about 99 names is strong, the hadiths identifying the 99 names are held to be weak, though they remain popular anyway. See e.g. http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=67 and the other articles linked therefrom. It also comments on the fact that there are more than 99 names. See also http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4222/99_names.html and perhaps most useful http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/misc/99_attributes_of_allah.asp which identifies more than 99 and gives citations from the Quran and hadith to support them. Schizombie 06:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
These are 99 different ways God is mentioned in the Qur'an. Doesn't mean there can't be more attributes than 99.
If so, it would perhaps be good to make clear which are mention in the Qur'an and which are not. Personally, I cannot do this as I am completely ignorant in Islam. Klehti 10:21, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
All the 99 supposedly come from the Qur'an. But why this list has 100 names instead of 99? Maybe comparing this list with a list on the web can solve the mystery? http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/99names.htm
Why the difference? Have to figure out. The list above gives reference to the relevent Qur'anic verse where the name comes from OneGuy 10:47, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)


Ok, Al-Manheii, this name is included on this list but is not on the list on the web. Is it from the Qur'an? I did web search for Al-Manheii and only Wiki articles show up. I think this one should be removed. OneGuy 11:01, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The "name" was included anonymously on Aug 1. A very subtle kind of vandalism: it's not immediately recognizable, and it was followed up by a clear case of vandalism soon later, so the article was reverted to the 'subtly vandalized' version. [1] good job finding this one, guys! dab 14:33, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] So, what's the 100th name?

I'm waiting...

-G

[edit] 18+81

If someone put his hands and look at the lines in the hands it means 81 (in the left hand)+ 18 (in the right hand) =99 in arabic numbers, and muslims say it refers to the names of god.

I think this meant: if you look at your palms, thumbs facing upwards, you will see the pattern "ΛΙ ΙΛ", similar to "81 18" in arabic numerals. The sum of these numbers is 99. dab 14:16, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes. --Neria 17:12, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Don't you think it is some coincidence? I'm a Muslim (from Indonesia) and I never heard such a thing. Well, it is still an interesting trivial fact :) Kunderemp 12:11, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 81-18

Further note that 81 - 18 = 63, which is the age of The Prophet (SAW) when ALLAH Took him back to HIM. And All Praise Belongs to ALLAH, Far Exalted IS HE Above HIS servants! --66.65.186.216 00:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] whoever memorizes (or recites) them enters Paradise...

In the 2nd sentence of this version, only "In the Hadith, ..." is mentioned. However, it is not complete. Information of one hadith shall include its reporter (and/or its book where it's written). Therefore, I searched the hadith, and I just found Nawawi as its reporter. DiN, 21.11.2004 22:34 (UTC+1)

[edit] More than 99

There are actually 21 additional names that are mentioned as the names of Allah in the Holy Qu'ran, including Allah which is mentioned exactly 2697 times.

I noticed two book sources that I had, which listed the 99 names of Allah, had apparently listed very different names, in the original arabic not just differing translations. I suppose there are in fact differing traditions on what the 99 names are. There should be a list of alternate names included in that 99. I have one of my sources, but sadly I am not good enough at reading arabic to be certain even of the proper characters, though I could possibly scan the page(s) in question to show the diverging names among the "99". Nagelfar 02:21, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List still needs attention

Al Wali appears twice in this list (56 and 77). There is no mention of the hundredth name, known only to the camel (this may be more of a popular tradition than a religious belief).

I compared it to the German article:
56. Al Wali (الولى) The Protecting Friend, Patron, and Helper is German 56. The Ruler, Al-Walyy, الوليّ
77. Al Wali (الوالي) The Patron is German 77. The Patron Al-Wali الوالي
I can see a subtle difference in the Arab characters, maybe someone can further explainMhaesen 14:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually that little dash on the top right of 56 in the German is a grammatical marker, and technically shouldn't be there. It's used to connect words, and right now it's standing alone. Cuñado - Talk 17:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


Also, no mention of prayer beads. There are 33 beads, each corresponding to a name (and one central marker bead?). A full naming therefore goes through the beads three times.


I came here to Recite HIS Beautiful Names (The Qur'an Sura 59 Sign 24) and then I saw (the previous, now removed) #91 and the cursed name of that ingrate, the rebel to Most Gracious, right there in the list!

"Which of the Blessings of your LORD you (twain) deny???" (The Qur'an Sura 55 'Ar'RahMan' Signs 13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 79, 71, 73, 75, 77)

The Lord of Infinite Grace (ذو الفضل العظيم) was missing from this list. It has been added instead of the "harmer". It is certainly a more "Beautiful/Good Name", and, it Is Written in "The Book Free from Error". (Refs. are provided on the main page.)

Remember:

"Blessed Is The NAME of your LORD of The-Gloriously-Splendid and The-Bountuous-Generosity" (The Qur'an Sura 55 'Ar'RahMan' Sign 78)

--66.65.186.216 06:06, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Anon ip 66.65.186.216, probably being ashamed, changed attribute "ad-daar(the harmful)" i.e. number 91, used only in hadith for God, in the TRADITIONAL 99 NAMMES OF ALLAH list to "zul fadlil azeem(posessor of Infinite Grace", an attribute which is found in the Quran but has never been included in the traditional 99 names of Allah list. This attribute has been given most emphasis by the Quran Alone Muslims == user:idmkhizar (This attribute can only be found in hadith. In the Quran this attribute is used exclusively for Satan in Sura 58 verse 10)


well, why don't you explain the situation such as it is in the arcitle? If these quran alone guys object to #91, they can just insert a statement saying as much, so the dispute will be made clear to the reader. afaik this quran alone thing is mainly "Internet Islam", and I don't know how notable they are, But a brief statement will not hurt if that keeps them from changing things back. dab (ᛏ) 08:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

No one is being "ashamed" of anything, nor should you make any assumptions regarding others' beliefs (i.e. "qur'an only" and "internet islam").

One is simply 'amazed' at the depths of ignorance that would lend credence to a 'report' that would attribute such a thing to one's Maker, "The Most Merciful" ...

It should also be noted, as a matter of fact, The Qur'an trumps hadith wherever the two are in conflict. There is simply no mention of this so-called name of Allah in The Book. The-Qur'an is The Word of The-GOD and no one (certainly no muslim) can claim error in the word of Allah. As regards to 'traditions', again, The Qur'an Speaks the Decisive Word regarding those who put 'tradition' above the Word of God.

Beyond that, clearly the Name 'zoval-Fazl-al-Azim' is mentioned repeatedly in The Qur'an. If you wish to deny it, do so. You do 'get' what you 'believe' as we are Told again and again in The Book ...

As regards to the "devil", you are certainly welcome to 'celebrate' "the harmer"/"devil" as your 'god', and surely you will forgive me for hoping that your 'prayers' and 'zikr' are Answered and that you will find a 'final home' with "al-daar" in the Life to come? --66.65.186.216 16:37, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bahá'í Faith (has nothing to do with Islam)

Adding anything about the Bahá'í Faith is just wrong an offensive to main stream Muslims. Bahá'í Faith, is not a sec of Islam. This is like saying the Nation Of Islam, is a sect of Islam. I believe any reference's to Bahá'í Faith, on this page any any-other Islam page should be removed.

--Street Scholar 10:00, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

I agree and disagree. The Baha'i Faith is called a sect of Islam by almost every scholarly text, which is emphatically denied by Baha'is. However, it is listed under "Related Faiths" along with Druze, and it is a related Faith. I suggest you either delete the entire "Related Faiths" section, or just continue to add to it. I'll add a few comments and you can choose.
BTW, I'm a Baha'i in case anyone is wondering. Cuñado - Talk 14:43, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
I got confused, I thought we were talking about Divisions of Islam. Anyway I edited that page. Cuñado - Talk 16:10, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 100 names for God ?

I've discussed once with a muslim theologian and he explained me a signification of the 99 names = 100-1; not just the reference in the hadith:

It was something as following or approching :

"There are 99 names because 100 is a symoble of perfection, but as God cannot be fully comprehended by men, it cannot be 100 that is also a symbole of totale comprehension. The missing name of God stands for all that we will never understand about Him."

Did someone knew about something like this? And if it is somehow a opinion wider than my friends' one, it may be interesting to be written on the article. Either in the section "100th name of God" or in the section "source".

Calavente 11:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like the Sufi approach to the 100th name. I think that is pretty much covered, but if you have some source material then go ahead and add it. I don't think you can reference your friend. There is more in the Shi'a hadiths which are not in this article. Cuñado - Talk 17:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

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I am new to Wickepedia by coincidence. I am a Muslim and my love for ISLAM and as an advocate for thruth, I found out that this claim that ALLAH has 99 names and the 100th being hidden is completely wrong. I made a search and I found that Jim MELLIS, who seemed to quote that Hadith From Muslim, is a liar and he should be ashamed of Himself for lying on the Prophet peace be upon him and on Muslim himself. Mellis copied the hadith and interpreted the 99 as 100-1 which mathematically correct but literally not. The prophet peace be upon him never said that ALLAH (God Almighty) has 100 names - 1. But that's the interpretation of it. Here are the hadeeths about the names of ALLAH from Muslim and remember that this only the translation of the meaning of the hadeeths.If you want to really see the exact version of the hadeeths, you have to find it in Arabic and not by Jim Mellis, if he is really a God Fearing person, who really should not have done what he did to the text of a prophet of god or any other human being. Here are the hadeeths from Muslim:


== Book 035, Number 6475: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There are ninety-nine names of Allah; he who commits them to memory would get into Paradise. Verily, Allah is Odd (He is one, and it is an odd number) and He loves odd number. And in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are):" He who enumerated them." ==

== Book 035, Number 6476: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily, there are ninety-nine names for Allah, i. e. hundred excepting one. He who enumerates them would get into Paradise. And Hammam has made this addition on the authority of Abu Huraira who reported it from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) that he said:" He is Odd (one) and loves odd number ==

As you can see the translator of the Hadeeth added (i. e. hundred excepting one)to clarify more the hadeeth to readers. Anyone can change that statement to 100 -1 or any numbers that result in 99 but he/she should not refer it to as the words of the prophet. Just add to your knowledge that there are thousands of books and so called theologists who created all kinds of lies about ISLAM and the prophet and ALLAH (GOD ALmighty), which they should not have gone into it if they were really peoples of GOD and truth. They should have just said the truth and not mislead people. There are thousands of hadeeths. Thanks to reading my comments.

[edit] See also

There has been some reverting regarding what should be in the See also. My feel is that Tangri should not be included as it is one of many, for which all are included in the Names of God article. If Tangri is included, you should include all those that are in the Names of God article, but that would make the list very long and confusing. -- Jeff3000 17:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I can go for that 'oursourcing' option, as I already did in an earlier version, but then we must be consistent: if even other names used for Allah are excluded here, then the names from non-Muslim traditions must certainly go as well, so best to mark the remaining Names of God link (where someone malisciously reverted Tangri from its Islamic section) with a legend so one can find all links there. Fastifex 17:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I replaced the links in the see also section. This is a no brainer, and your edits so far have been to promote the Tangri page which you created. The page currently has the following under 'see also': Names of God, Names of God in Judaism, Sahasranama. They are all completely appropriate for a 'see also' section, whereas Tangri is not. I don't know what else to say. I will continue to revert your edits. Cuñado - Talk 18:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dead Link?

Hello...this page was reported to have a dead link [2] ... it can be replaced with the Wayback Machine Version [3] but there have been so many edits to this page I don't know where the link goes! If you do, please add the Wayback link back into the page and update the dead links page here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dead_external_links/404/misc it is link number 704. Thanks.

[edit] The Restrainer or The Retainer? or Both?

Currently #21 is "Al Qabid The Restrainer, the Straightener", older versions or versions found on other websites list it as "The Retainer". Some even list both[4]. A subtle but important difference? Ewlyahoocom 16:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Given that this is the English Wikipedia, and that this article has an English name, I really believe the page should be moved back to its English name. -- Jeff3000 03:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm moving it back. Cuñado - Talk 06:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "The" God

Okay, "The God" sounds dumb. Yes, Al- means "The", but, in French, France is written La France, that doesn't mean we translate it, in English, to The France. - Eric 23:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts

User:81.154.252.34 keeps reverting this page with some POV content. First of Wikipedia policy is to use the most common name in English which is the Baha'i Faith and not Baha'ism. Secondly, that the Baha'i Faith is syncretic has been dismissed by multiple reliable sources including the Encylcopedia of Religion and Encyclopedia Britannica. Thirdly, the fact that the Baha'i Faith is quite different than Islam, is easily noted, and people can read that from the Baha'i Faith article; citing specific instances has no place in this article. It is already mentioned that Baha'is are not Muslims. -- Jeff3000 02:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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