User talk:89.172.239.85

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Stop reverting articles to version of blocked User:Afrika paprika or you will be blocked too. This is your last warning. --Dijxtra 13:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

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"Krajina" is a historical name - that even you endorse. You Changed the name to "Croatian Krajina" from "Military Frontier" on one article yourself. You've had Croatian Krajina, Slavonian Krajina, Srem Krajina and Banat Krajina - all those composed the Vojna krajina territorial unit - its denizens were known as "Krajishniks". So, why are you complaining?

Yes CROATIAN Krajina, SLAVONIAN Krajina, VOJNA Krajina, etc. Krajina means nothing save marking the strip of certain land - equivalent of German 'Mark', English 'March', etc. The mention above were historical buffer zones not a real regions and it defiantely has nothing to do with the so-called "Republic of Serbian Krajina", a little terrorist qusi-state that occuppied Croatian teritory and expelled all non-Croats from there(some 250 000 people least) and displacing twice as much that you are referring as the suppposed "Krajina region". Find me one historical map of this "region".

Also, there were numerious cases, like in Varivode, a village where all denizens were executed by members of a Croatian paramilitary corps right after Operation Storm. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

In other words it happened AFTER the 'Operation Storm'.
No - but as a component of the operation. After the region was taken by Croat forces, many units (regular and irregular) and even armed Croat civilians harrassed the surviving population. Although those were only individual cases - their number is large and grasping. Besides, the Croatian Army formed a gap on Una especially for the Serbs to push them through it (these were Tudjman's words) - thus planning to conduct ethnic cleansing. Members of the army destroyed 700-year old cultural bastions of Serbs (monasteries) which is also a part of ethnic cleansing - during the actually operation. Aside from that, the Croatian Army pursued the two hundred thousand refugees even accross Bosnia and Herzegovina, constantly bombing them until Croatia was forced to withdraw its armed forces from BiH by the International Community. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
How it happened "as the component of the military operation" when the operation ended? I think you have difficulty with logic. As for the gap on Una, Croatia was obligated to leave it according to UN and Geneva conventions and also by the same international community you call yourself upon to. And Croatia was not forced to withdraw her forces from BiH because it had an agremeent with the legal presidency of that country to help them which allowed Croatian army to cross the border and engage hostile forces which were attacking Croatian teritory...this is also valid according to Geneva conventions. You still haven't provided where it is stated and proved without doubt that there was "ethnic cleansing" in 'Operation Storm' and I doubt you'll find any.

BBC - Croat suspect denies war crimes: Gen Gotovina is charged with responsibility for the alleged murder of about 150 Serbs, persecution, and the deportation of thousands. About 200,000 Serbs - many elderly - were forced out of the region during the offensive. That's the UN charge. Tell me if that's not ethnic cleansing. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you actually know the difference between being a suspect and being guilty? Is it proven? No it is not. The trial hasn't even started yet.

Krajina - correct, however this region in presice has been historicly "Krajina" for half a millenia - and it still is.

No it wasn't and no it is not. It never has been.

RSk may be "little" if it's compared to USA, but not if you compare it to Montenegro. Why call it "terrorist"? Terrorist activities might've been a part of the early war in 1991/92, but never on a larger scale as that of the Kosovar Liberation Army in Kosovo, for instance. "Quasi-state" - well, yes, its sovereignity was never generally accepted. I would hardly call that it "occupied Croatian territory" - definitions of occupation are when a foreign element rules over a territory, where it is not accepted. Thus, we can't refer to a state occupying itself! :)

Terrorist as it engaged in terrorist activities...occuppying teritory of a sovereign state, expelling, murdering and looting people and their houses, destruction of monuments and private goods....you name it, the list goes on.

RSK didn't expell all non-Croats. What on earth are you talking about? :) Before the war, there were 600,000 Serbs in Croatia (and some 100,000 Yugoslav Serbs).

More than 250 000 people were exiled from the occuppied teritorrie - the supposed "Republic of Serbian Krajina" including Croats and all other non-Serbs. It also led to displacing of at least twice as much people from surrounding areas who fled their constant bombing from occuppied regions. Those who declared as 'Yugoslavs' were not and explicitly Serbs....to claim otherwise is unfounded and is again - revisionism/fallacy.

At the start of the war, 300,000 Serbs were displaced from Croatia.

LOL! And you say you are not an extremist. This is a blatant lie.

It is true that a number of the Croat population and even Moslem minority had fallen victim to heavy violence and even ethnic cleansing by the Yugoslav and pro-Serb forces in the beginning of the war. The remaining four hundred Serbs, led by the nationalist government forme their own state (which had 52.15% Serbs, 35.9% Croats and 11.94% others. Now, according to the population censi - RSK either forcibly expelled or they left in fear of the nationalistic regime of over 100,000 ethnic Croats (not 250,000) - but, RSK received an influx of almost 100,000 ethnic Serbs from the rest of Croatia, that came for the same reasons. The 1993 population census registered 480,000 citizens of RSK, 91% Serbs, 7% Croats and 2% others. Besides that, Operation Storm "purged" practicly Croatia of its 250,000 ethnic Serb citizens. This is only one occasion of the numerious ethnic cleansings. After the war, barely 150,000 Serbs remained in Croatia; they formed 4.5% of Croatia's population (and they formed over 12.2% before the war) and only 20% on the soil of Krajina. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually the census had: 48.16% Serbs, 38.24% Croats and 13.6 of others. This means that Serbs this is proclaimed and terrorist occupation of Croatian land didn't had the ultimate majority. The later census supposedly led by the "RSK goverment" was a blatant propaganda and was falsification with obvious infalting the numbers of both Serbs living there and the other non-Serbs including Croats...inflating the total population to ridiculous numbers. Most Serbs either left prior to war or listening to their idiotic leaders. Most of them moved to Bosnia where you can observe the increase in population and settled in Croatian houses from Bosnia, namely from Posavina from where about 350 000 Croats are exiled to this very day.
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