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Anyone can submit a title to Amazon these days. Look at the details:

Record of the Brockman and Drake-Brockman family (Unknown Binding)

by David Henry Drake-Brockman

Publisher: D.H. Drake-Brockman (January 1, 1936)

The Brockman scrapbook;: Bell, Bledsoe, Brockman, Burrus, Dickson, James, Pedan, Putman, Sims, Tatum, Woolfolk, and related families (Unknown Binding)

by William Everett Brockman

Publisher: none credited

These are just self-published family scrapbooks. Note again the requirement of verifiability - "already been published by a reputable publisher" (their emphasis, not mine). Furthermore, see WP:NOR: "...it is essential that any primary-source material, as well as any generalization, analysis, synthesis, interpretation, or evaluation of information or data, has been published by a third-party reputable publication (that is, not self-published) that is available to readers either from a website (other than Wikipedia) or through a public library". This disqualifies these sources. Find some acceptable ones, or this material will be binned.

With regard to the Edmund Drake-Brockman article, can you tell me where you claim to have found this copy and paste? I do not find the material on Edmund site elsewhere on the web. I believe AJenkins wrote this material with good scholarship from the references he provided.

I didn't say I'd found it anywhere; I just think it has the smell of copyright violation. A ruddy great chunk of unwikified text, utterly coherent, posted in one go, with a distinctive Edwardian style and phraseology: "Nor was he a social innovator in the mount of HB Higgin". I'll bet you a fiver it's verbatim from the Australian Dictionary of Biography. 86.140.183.102 03:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I consider this to be a reputable publisher and that WE Brockman and DH Drake-Brockman produced well-referenced research and published that research. I will add some of WE Brockman's later works, and all of which are available in Virginia libraries et cetera. Furthermore, it is available on websites as you state in the rule at www.brockmanfamily.com, genforum.com (referenced in external links), in the daughters of the revolution and elsewhere. Please take the possibility of plagarism to AJenkin's talk page.Brockmanah 14:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi 86.140.183.102:

Please note that these books are available in various US and UK libraries and that other sources are more widely available (eg. Virginia Familes volumes 1-4). The primary source is all of the birth, records, death records, letters and documentation. The Secondary source(s) are these books written to summarize these sources. Therefore I am summarizing the information from these sources in Wikipedia as a tertieary source as described in the verifiablity guideline. I will need some time to collect the additional sources that may be more available to you. Please allow me that time.Brockmanah 15:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)