User talk:82.38.76.249

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[edit] Leeds and Bradford Line, Shipley and Windhill

Thanks for your contributions to these pages, but I'm a bit puzzled about some of them.

You have wikified 'Thackley Tunnel', but have not provided an article. Are you planning to? Do you think it merits its own article? (I don't, but maybe you know something special about it). I can't see the point of wikifying it unless you are planning to write the article.

I've made some comments about your changes to Shipley and Windhill station at Talk:Shipley and Windhill railway station.

--ColinFine 23:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

In fact, I seem to have undone or questioned almost all your changes. Please don't take this personally: only by being bold and opening ourselves to others' responses will we improve Wikipedia. --ColinFine 07:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The user posted the following reply to the user page User:82.38.76.249. I have transferred it to here. --ColinFine 23:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I have now written the Article on Thackley Tunnel and would be honoured if you could point out and edit any errors in the article. I cannot provide evidence for the use of the name Shipley East but having been a resident of the area my entire life I have regulary hear it called Shipley East whether this was mearly a nickname or its actual name I am Unsure. Co-incidently My teacher at school has an Ordanance survey map showing the enitre Branch open in 1968 and the only Station Labelled closed is Thackley Station which ceased to exist in 1931 and ven had a photo of a Jubilee travelling towards Laisterdyke during the time the Branch line was supposedly closed beyond Idle, Talk of it being used as a rat run across Bradford came from the same source who worked in the LMR's good co-ordination office for the Local area.

As you see, I have moved your reply here, since it then follows the discussion (though another way that people often work is to reply to me on my talk page User talk:ColinFine).

I remain dubious whether Thackley Tunnel is sufficiently notable to merit its own article. Sheeran 1994 doesn't even mention it. I find it curious that you have marked one date as 'citation needed', but failed to give any references at all for anything in the article. I can see some improvements I can make on it, but I'm really not sure that it is worth saving. Are you going to do every other tunnel round Bradford?

One of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia is verifiability. As an example on the verifiability page shows, hearsay right from the horse's mouth is not acceptable. A fortiori, our recollections and hearsay are not acceptable content. Unless we can find 'Shipley East' in a published source, it should really not be included.

Bairstow says that the line closed to through traffic at the end of October 1964, but a spur continued for another two years from Laisterdyke to just beyond Quarry Gap Junction, and Shipley to Idle continued until October 1968: he does not say when the track was lifted, except that it had gone by 1969.

Ordnance Survey maps are not reliable for dates of things being built, let alone closed; the copy of the 1852 Ordnance Survey map of Bradford (surveyed 1847-50) that I have consulted in Bradford Library shows not only the L&Y Station (1850) but also Adolphus St (1854)! There is a note in the corner about railways and other buildings having been possibly updated since survey, but only careful examination shows a faint note that this copy was printed in the 1870's, and had evidently been updated since the first edition.

At one time I put some text in the article on Shipley railway station to the effect that it had originally been 500m further south: this was based on the 1850 OS map of Shipley. However, I found an article in the Bradford Observer for 1849 which quite clearly describes it in its present position; so I took the statement out, because I cannot unequivocally support it with references.

I don't doubt that the line was used to route freight round Bradford, but if this was before 1964 it hardly seems worth mentioning, and if you mean after, it needs substantiating.

Sorry if all this sounds negative, but improving the quality is hard work.

Can I urge you to register and have a named account? - sorry, I see you've done so.

--ColinFine 23:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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