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for the compliment! Anyway - Forman. I often correspond with Nate Bloom - a columnist who writes about Celebrity Jews for a few of the Jewish American papers. A friend of his interviewed Forman for a local paper a few years ago - he told her his parents were Protestants, etc. (his father was killed for being in the resistance. The Germans took Forman's mother a year later, I seem to recall because they suspected she was also somehow involved in resistance) He did not mention that his biological father was Jewish, which is something I found online and seems to be true. I suspect you can get all the info out of his book autobiography. I have not yet updated Forman's entry and, technically speaking, I guess I don't have a source I can cite for the Protestant parents thing - though I'm sure it's in his autobiography, if I can find it somewhere. Mad Jack 20:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Yup, Rudolf Forman his father was Protestant and died in a concentration camp. Milos Forman's biological father, don't know name, was Jewish and escaped to South America - irony there. So - since Milos obviously did not even know his biological father was Jewish until after the war - of course he wasn't raised Jewish. In fact, if the Nazis had known about him being half Jewish - he would have obviously been killed - in fact this is the main reason why Nate Bloom was kind of puzzled - if Forman was known to be half Jewish - he wouldn't have survived. I don't know, by the way, if Forman's mother had an affair or something with the Jewish guy - I guess that was probably the case. Mad Jack 21:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
He's on the list because we have a source that calls him "half Jewish" (i.e. the one talking about his biological father). I'm sure it would be fairly easy to find a source that calls Milos Forman "Czech". Remember, the most important detail is whether the people in question, not their parents or grandparents, were Czech and Jewish. Forman is unquestionably Czech and "half Jewish" according to a source, so... (As for rules, a source that explicitly says "half Jewish" is usually fine, but explicitly "half Jewish", not Jewish father, etc.) Mad Jack 21:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
"Half whatever" is usually accepted on all the X-American lists. But - and this is the important part - the source actually has to say the person "is half-X", we can't deduce it on our own because the source says their father was X. Mad Jack 21:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah, but the trick is we don't really use Jewish law so it works both ways. I.e. if someone is described as having "Jewish mother", they can't be on the Jewish lists unless a source calls the person themsleves "Jewish" (or half) :) i.e. Balthus is a good example of this, though apparently his mother wasn't fully Jewish as you mentioned elsehwere Mad Jack 21:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Well you can be a "Jew" in an ethnic sense and a "Catholic" in the religious sense. As long as both sources are reliable and not just "some guy's website", I can see someone being listed as both a Jew and a Catholic. Same for Czech and Austrian - if both sources are reliable I don't see why not. I can imagine Albert Einstein being listed under several nationality pages, with reputable sources that back up each. As for Ullman, the source you gave me does call him a Jew, and it is a reputable source. The source on the Czech page says "Raised a German-Czech until a 1909 move to Austria" so I dunno, I suppose he ought to be on both lists. Mad Jack 22:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
If you think the source to him being Czech is weak or doesn't really say is Czech, I guess you should move him to discussion pending a more concrete source Mad Jack 22:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Well it does say Gellner's family was "Czech Jewish", which is a perfect fit with the page's title :) Sure, you should add the Ullmann source if you want to. The source currently does say "Raised a German-Czech" which is weird phrasing. Mad Jack 22:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
See, I don't really know anything about this subject matter i.e. the various cultural, national and ethnic variations and problems in Eastern Europe throughout the centuries, so I just put in what the source tells me :) I'm really mostly into X-American actors and the various lists involved there Mad Jack 22:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I am a Canadian who considers himself American by culture. German-American page needs work as well. A bunch of it is still unsourced. Some of it is indeed sourced to sources that say the person is German or German-American, but the other names need to be too. Too many lists on Wikipedia, I'm afraid. By the way, the source for Brandeis' inclusion on the German AMericans page says he is German Jewish, not Czech [1] Mad Jack 22:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Canada does seem homogeneous. We have so many incredibly rural areas where people of more or less the same ethnicity and culture have been marrying each other for a long time. We have only a few big metropolitan multicultural centres, one being Toronto and I suppose Vancouver being the other. Quebec is multicultural to a point - that point being several cultures sort off absorbed into the French. The U.S. has a ton of huge cities and the bigger the city - usually - the more multicultural it is. Yes there are a few X-American and X-Canadian lists not yet created, mostly because there aren't that many people under that cat. But we have the page Ukrainian Canadian which has a list Mad Jack 23:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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