Talk:7,92x57 mm

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Contents 1 Question 2 Answer 3 Citation needed 4 Article renaming

[edit] Question

Shouldn't this be called the "7.92x57 Mauser"? My understanding is that is the usual name for it. -- Cabalamat 15:44, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree. 8x57 is the American designation, the rest of the World calls it 7.92x57 (or 7,92x57mm). Like any very successful, century-plus old cartridge, it has a multitude of designations, not to mention loads. I'm trying to update this as I have time. Even the J/I dichotomy is all screwed up. It was originally "I". US Intelligence (sic) in WWII mistranslated this as "J". SAAMI calls it "J". Now even the CIP calls it "J". HangFire 20:05 December 13, 2005 (EST)

Shouldn't all the "7,92x57"s be "7.92x57"? --ejail 00:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

No. The original military designation used a comma, and the CIP standards body still uses a comma. It is only the English speaking countries that use a period. Since this is a cartridge of European origin, and exact nomenclature is an important part of any cartridge's history, it is important to retain the original nomiker when referring to it in historical context. HangFire 02:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but this is the English-language Wikipedia, is it not? Thus, the english-language form should be used, even though it is a german cartridge.

-Alex, 74.133.188.197 03:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC).

The designations of the different countries should be recognised. The cartridge could say german and british sources one below the other so that way both would say, becose it is not fair to convert the original name, and is much better if it would say both german and english designation of the cartridge. Thank you. -Nemesis1000 83.131.149.119 10:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Answer

The entire comma vs. dot history can be found at Decimal_separator. I agree with Nemesis1000 that redirects should be developed for alternate spellings such as "7.92 x 57", "7.92x57", "7,92 x 57", "JS", "IS", "8mm Mauser", etc.--Raprat 15:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed

The following should have either a citation or a technical justification: "The bullet has the best ratio of energy compared to the weight of the powder loaded in all commercial hunting cartridges." --Raprat 14:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

It's nice to see some attention given to this article.

This statement is of the few remaining parts of the original stub. The statement might be true if narrowly constrained, such as, bottleneck major caliber service rifle cartridges from that era. That's rather complicated. I think the actual best cartridge as described would be the 45 Colt revolver cartridge in a modern smokeless loading, which gets about 1/4 of the energy of the Mauser cartridge with 1/9 of the powder weight. Anyway, rather than sort it all out, the best thing to do is probably delete the sentence or completely rewrite it. HangFire 01:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Merging this page with 7x57 would be as pointless as merging the geographical pages of Germany and Spain. Once fleshed out, both the 7,92x57 page and the 7x57 page will be very large entries indeed and the discussion will be whether they each need to be broken down into smaller pages. HangFire 03:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article renaming

As per the general consensus from the team at Wikiproject: Military History, it would seem that this article really ought to be named "7.92x57 Mauser", with no spaces- and using a decimal point instead of a comma. Regardless of whether or not the comma is "correct", it looks like a typo to 99.99% of Wikipedia readers. I thought I'd give people a chance to comment before arbitrarily changing the title, however. --Commander Zulu 07:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)