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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello 6SJ7, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!  Jayjg (talk) 18:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] welcome

Thanks for your contribution to west bank barrier

As they say in wikipedia "be bold". Zeq 04:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Apartheid Wall article

I'm not sure what Wikipedia standard is for these kinds of articles. I thought a discussion of the terminology was a reasonable compromise between those who wanted it to simply re-direct to Israeli West Bank barrier, and those who wanted to delete it as POV. Note that Ramallite's suggestion would end up turning it into a re-direct to Israeli West Bank barrier. Jayjg (talk) 06:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your help in copy edit. Please feel more than welcome to correct my English. Zeq 10:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please vote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ramallite

[edit] Please see this

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Israeli_Arab&diff=28437362&oldid=28435794

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Israeli_Arab&diff=28490655&oldid=28490217

Thanks, Zeq 09:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A bit surprised

I noticed this edit and was struck by the edit summary "Edited intro to make it less anti-Israel POV". I have no idea why you would consider something that is just maybe 'pro Palestinian' as necessarily 'anti Israeli'. The two are not synonymous. I hope you can accept that, and that not every single statement made about Palestine or the Palestinian people is necessarily a political one. Ramallite (talk) 16:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] welcome back

Can you e-mail me ? Zeq 18:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

you need to open a mail box any where (yahoo/gmail etc) enbale it in your prefrnces page.

next I think you can from my user or talk page click on e-mail this user.

Zeq 20:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputes among the sources

The way they're usually handled is simply to quote all the sources, unless you can find some outside corroboration which leads you to think one is correct, more recent, etc. Jayjg (talk) 23:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The edits look good to me. Nowadays most people are using a different footnoting system, the <note></note> combination. Jayjg (talk)


[edit] Re: Homeontherange vs. Zeq

Its already been brought up here. If there are new developments I will let you know.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 10:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I thought this belonged on your talk page!

"Maybe Wikipedia should not aspire to be a reflection of the informational chaos of the Web, but rather an oasis from it." Great statement, Elizmr 01:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I was just writing to Elizmr and got curious about your thank you for some reason -but yeah -Damn good! --Armon 15:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zeq

Zeq has not only "pushed the envelope" he's on probation and has violated his probation explicitly. The ArbComm ruling on Zeq gives admins the authority to ban him. Nevertheless, I asked Arbitrators about it before acting and am referring Zeq's probation violation to them for an opinion. Thanks for the "pushed the envelope" comment, btw, I'll use it as evidence that even his supporters view his editing as tendendatious.Homey 02:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

As to Zeq, another admin has now banned him from the article in question after an Arbitrator put the issue to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement (shortcut WP:AE).Homey 03:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

For writing something nice on my talk page. When I first started using wikipedia, when I saw the orange it would make me happy. Now it terrifies me! Your message was a nice break from the usual. Elizmr 13:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what is wrong with this ?

Israeli apartheid is a a focused, targeted propaganda epithet which is at the center of a campaign for a political platform is attempting to rewrite and redefine the history of Israel as that of a "racist apartheid state".it's sole purpose is to to demonize the State of Israel.[1][2][3][4] **The apartheid wall is a similarly controversial term used by the same critics to describe the Israeli West Bank barrier, currently under construction.

[edit] FYI

See this and few more of my recent contrubutions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israeli_apartheid_%28phrase%29&diff=prev&oldid=56942662

Zeq 05:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations, we have a suspected impersonator

Hi SJ, let's keep an eye on 65J7 (talk • contribs). I suspect an impersonator. ←Humus sapiens ну? 08:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

This is my first time dealing with an impersonator. I used the most appropriate template I found at WP:SOCK. Feel free to edit or take any other action. I assumed good faith and didn't block it, but if suspicious activity persists, let me (or more experienced admins) know. ←Humus sapiens ну? 18:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I replied there at talk. Until the AFDs run their course, it doesn't really matter. This circus cannot go on. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tony_Sidaway#FYI_-_clear_pattern_of_edit_war_using_sock_puppets

[edit] Hafrada

If I understand it correctly you want to merge an article about a term that describes policies aimed to separate Israelis from Palestinians into Apartheid outside of South Africa. That means that you are aware of the connection between the terms hafrada and apartheid. As for my personal POV (which you misrepresent here); I believe that it is detrimental to try to change the appearance of reality rather than reality itself. Palestinians have representation in Knesset, etc, so Israeli is not an apartheid state. But some policies in regard to housing, transportation, marriage, etc, are discriminatory against Palestinians - and reminiscent of the racial segregation in South Africa. Trying to conceal this instead of dealing with it will not prove beneficial to anyone. I will not be editing Hafrada any further since Zeq have started a campaign against me for using legitimate multiple accounts, not to decieve but for segregation and security reasons. I hope that you will reconsider your position. Regards. Article20 09:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israeli_apartheid&curid=5330946&diff=59410459&oldid=59405587

[edit] Renaming articles

Please do not rename Israeli apartheid without consensus. If you want to move the article discuss it on talk first rather than acting unilaterally. Homey 04:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Kim moved the article back when it was protected because the use of parenthesis for non-disambiguation purposes was against policy.

Why are you unwilling to seek consensus before renaming the page? Homey 04:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I was hoping that you were unaware of the fact that you have unilaterally attempted to reverse to changes accomplished by a mediator and via consensus. Homey 04:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

As per your request I raised this on the Talk page and your renaming has been reversed.Homey 05:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Please see the diffs between the old version and the consensus version. I'm afraid your claim is mistaken.Homey 06:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

There are two questions 1) should there be a reference to Duke in the lead and 2) should it be in the article at all. When I was referring to consensus I was referring only to question 1, not to question 2.

As for your other point, please read Wikipedia:Civility. Homey 06:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Homeontherange_reported_by_User:Zeq_2

[edit] The consensus intro

I don't see where you see this second paragraph:

Israeli apartheid (or calling Israel an apartheid state) is a controversial phrase used by some critics of Israel to describe the country's policies towards the Palestinian and Israeli Arab populations. Critics of the term argue that it is historically inaccurate, offensive, antisemitic, and is used as justification for terrorist attacks against Israel.
==Origins==
The analogy was used as early as 1987 by Uri Davis, an Israeli-born academic and Jewish member of the Palestine Liberation Organization, in his book Israel: An Apartheid State (ISBN 0862323177) which provided a detailed comparison of Israel and South Africa. The highly controversial World Conference against Racism in Durban, South Africa adopted resolutions describing Israel as an "apartheid state" [1]. The term was subsequently used by the South African cleric Desmond Tutu in the articles he published following his visit to Israel. [2].


And here is Kim's edit note for the version above (Action as mediator: Of all contributers to the discussion,this first sentence was accepted by all except 1 editor) [3] Homey 16:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Several to three?

Please explain how "several" is more specific than "three"? Homey 20:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you actually read what you were reverting? I didn't put the descriptions back in, I just tweaked the previous revert for accuracy - only three organizations are cited not "several". Please self-revert. Homey 20:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli Apartheid arbitration

The move/revert war issue for Israeli Apartheid has been referred to arbitration. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Move and revert warring at Israeli Apartheid --John Nagle 00:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfM

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Apartheid (disambiguation)]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.SlimVirgin (talk) 01:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1st

"Israeli apartheid" is a highly controversial allegation that is used by .... who seeks to compare the policies of Israel toward West Bank Palestinians, and to a lesser extent, its own Arab citizens, to those of apartheid-era South Africa. Opponents of this allegation state that the term is both without merit, and misused to isolate and condemn Israel.

Zeq 03:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious "barnstar" (moved here by 6SJ7)

For your motivation in keeping Wikipedia POV free and educational. Keep up the good work!! Oiboy77 07:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
For your motivation in keeping Wikipedia POV free and educational. Keep up the good work!! Oiboy77 07:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Israeli

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Israeli. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Israeli/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Israeli/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 13:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Kuntar

[edit] wall of shame

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5181520.stm try this

[edit] And I don't even feel guilty

) BTW, I made a couple more edits there. ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jerusalem

I wasn't changing the capital, I was adding a capital to make it a more international point of view.

You do have to see the funny side of the addition though ;) --Ptclark 15:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

He seemed to stop after Tawkerbot's reverts. Anyway next time you see a user who has passed the final warning, you can go here and post the name and a brief explanation. You seem to have your hands full right now but anyway thanks and have a nice day.--Gdo01 19:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Israeli apartheid

This case has closed and the final decision has been published at the link above.

To summarize: Discussion of global issues which concern use of "apartheid" and all polls shall be at Wikipedia:Central discussions/Apartheid with subsidiary dialog on the talk page of affected articles. Based on the difficult and controversial nature of this matter, with the exception of Zeq (talk • contribs), who remains banned from editing the article, the principal participants in this dispute shall be granted an amnesty for past actions, but are strongly encouraged to engage in negotiations. All involved administrators are admonished not use their administrative tools without prior discussion and consensus.

- Mgm|(talk) 20:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving back to Israel lobby in the United States

Hi 6SJ7. I am likely going to start contributing again to the Israel lobby in the United States in the next few days. Jayjg the other day mentioned that it wasn't in a good state and that this reflectively negatively on my abilities as an editor. Also, since I took a break from it, no one has really edited it thus I am not sure my continued absence from editing it has really accomplished that much. Anyways, I'm just seeking your opinion on the matter before resuming editing. Best. --Ben Houston 16:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Protecting children's privacy

Hi. You contributed to the discussion at Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy. If you have time and interest, I'm asking for contributors to make a brief statement summarizing your thoughts about it here, thanks. Herostratus 19:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links in Zionism

Hello, Could you please explain why you believe that those links don't belong there? --Anonymous44 21:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I second that question!207.47.40.19 22:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Arbitration Clerk, FloNight 21:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding this response: I'm sorry if you took that to be rudeness, but it wasn't meant as such. Please realise that you can't hear my tone when I am typing these things out and perhaps I meant it as an honest response. You seem to see this as a me-against-them struggle, in that anyone who is against you is trying to put you down. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not. Now, if you are going to accuse me of trying to be rude or nasty, that's a good way to get me to that point. As far as the ArbCom case goes, whether it was rude or not has nothing to do with the proposed final decision which is why I'm replying here. BigNate37(T) 14:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kerry article

I know, I thought hard about it (I had been working on it too).

But really, where it was was kind of out of place. Where it is now is much better. Sorry about the consternation- I understand where you're comign from though. Like you said, all's well that ends well. :) Cheers --DarthBinky 04:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] State of Palestine

Please stop reintroducing inaccuracies into this article. I don't want to get into a revert war, I just couldn't be bothered, but the mistakes you are making are pretty basic ones, so please read up on the issues involved a bit before editing the article. Palmiro | Talk 01:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you understand. The article contains all sorts of mistakes regarding the PNA. These really ought to be fixed, and I don't see why you are reverting my changes to them if you don't understand the issue. The article also contains anachronistic references to the PLO charter of 1964 (the State of Palestine was proclaimed in 1988) and - apparently, the sentence was a fragment - inaccuracies regarding the political positions of the PLO and various of its member organizations. I fixed all of these issues and you unfixed them. This is unhelpful. Palmiro | Talk 01:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. Obviously I was in a somewhat cranky humour the other day. I can't see the problem with having an article about a state that's recognised by 11 other states, however, even if it doesn't actually exercise any sovereignty anywhere. Palmiro | Talk 23:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion

I think I misread your edit summary. I thought you were implying I was another user attempting to cause trouble on the Jews for Jesus page. I now realize that the "again" language may have been because of an edit conflict. I hope it is. If my response is harsh, that is the reason, I apologize.

As for your claim that there is no dispute about the "Jewishness" of JFJ, that may be true in the Jewish community, but in the Christian community, most Christians who even know about this group take them at face value... as "Jews" who believe in Jesus, despite what Lev Leigh says. Most Christians don't have the knowledge of exactly why Jews can't believe in Jesus. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 01:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. And I must add we certainly agree with the last statement. I am not sure if you are aware of this, but many of these evangelical groups try to "convert" other Christians as well. So I can empathize with your feelings in that regard. FTR- I love studying religions, and do so amateurly as well, so I am well versed in the doctrinal and practical delineations between the two religions. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 02:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
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