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Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Methane. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Paleorthid 14:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry for vandalizing. I was just thinking methane had an atomic mass of 16.01, because I was thinking hydrogen had an atomic mass of 1.00. Anthony P.

Thanks for the apology. It means a lot. I must apologize to you for biting a newbie. Not my greatest moment. Welcome to WP, and I hope you have a lot more edits in you. Please use edit summaries for all your edits (like: H has mass=1 therefore methane=16.01), then we all can consider and process smoothly. Please register. If you don't get a welcome mesage in short order, contact me and I'll be happy to welcome you. Also, when you leave a message on someone's talk page, please carefully review your changes for the first dozen edits or so, and make sure you didn't inadvertently blank content in the processs. Cheers! Paleorthid.

Paleorthid, I want to let you know that I have changed methane's atomic mass back to 16.01, but I wrote a summary why I did so, just like you told me to. Anthony P.

That edit will never get through. You are adding an inaccurate number. It makes no sense to do a rough calculation to get the number when we have an accuarte number in the chemical indexes. If you really want to try and make your case you will need to discuss this on the methane talk page. David D. (Talk) 20:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The chemical substance pages document the compounds as they exist in real life, which means elements are not isotopically pure. You need to use an average mass for each, weighted by their natural isotopic ratio. That means hydrogen isn't "1H" (mass=1), but "natural hydrogen" at about 1.008. DMacks 20:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, this is business between me and Paleorthid. Don't just barge in. Anthony P.

Wikipedia is a community project. Any editor is welcome to work on any page. Given you have edited a page in which I have an interest and are discussing that edit right here, I am part of this discussion. But regardless, anyone is welcome to join any discussion anywhere on Wikipedia in which they have any interest or useful info. That's how it works. DMacks 20:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Look, I have changed the mass of methane, but I wrote a summary. Wikipedia is saying whenever you do an edit, you must right a summary. Paleorthid also suggested it, and that is what I did. So why are you acting like it's a big deal? Anthony P.

My problem isn't the use of the summary, but rather that your change is factually wrong. DMacks 20:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
It is wrong and your edit will be reverted everytime. You really should take this to the methane talk page. Wikipedia works through concensus, have you noticed that at present there are multiple editors reverting your change? There is a strong concensus against your edit. Why don't you start up your own user account at User:Anthony P.? That will be more constructive and then people can help show you the ropes. At present you are in a futile cycle and there are rules about not reverting multiple times in the way you are currently editing. See WP:3RR. David D. (Talk) 21:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

1 hydrogen atom has an atomic mass of 1.00. That should be obvious to everybody. Anthony P.

I'll have to cave in here, despite the obvious, your persistence must prove you are correct, so obviously 1.008 does round to 1.00 David D. (Talk) 23:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Or, 1.008 can round to 1.01, so methane can have an atomic mass of 16.05. Either way, you can round 1.008 to 1.00 or 1.01 Anthony P.

Now i'm getting confused? So what would 16.042 round to? 16.04 or 16.05? David D. (Talk) 23:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

16.042 would round to 16.04, but if 1.008 can round to 1.01, then methane's atomic mass can be 16.05. Anthony P.

Believe it or not it would actually be more accurate to round it down to 16 David D. (Talk) 23:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


Actually, David D., oxygen has an atomic mass of 16, so it would be confusing if you round 16.05 or 16.01 down to 16. I would go with methane having an atomic mass of 16.05, because like I said, you can round 1.008 to 1.01. Also hydrogen has 1 proton and 1 electron. So that electron can be worth the "0.1" part and the proton can be worth the "1.00" part. 1.00 + 0.01 = 1.01. Anthony P.

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. When planning to introduce a controversial idea in an article, gain consensus on the article's talk page first. DMacks 00:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I am NOT vandalizing. Anthony P.

anyone who intentionally and repeatedly adds incorrect information is what? David D. (Talk) 00:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I am NOT deliberately introducing incorrect information. I am changing the information to what is true. Methane has an atomic mass of 16.05. Get over it. And stop considering me a VANDAL!! Anthony P.

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. DMacks 01:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

DMacks, STOP CONSIDERING ME A VANDAL!!! I am not a vandal. When I change whatever I was changing on methane, I was actually helping wikipedia. The people who are reverting me ARE vandals. They do not know anything about the atomic mass of hydrogen. The atomic mass of hydrogen is 1.01. So methane has a mass of 16.05. Anthony P.

The atomic mass is not 1.01. It's 1.00795ish. It can round to 1.01, but rounding in the middle of a sequence of calculations introduces error. If four friends each have $1.25, let's just say they each have $1. Okay, how much money do they have together: $4 or $5? DMacks 01:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
No, its 16.042. The correct figure to two decimal places is 16.04, as you mentioned above. The correct figure to two significant figures is 16 and to three significant figures it is 16.0. But it is never 16.01 or 16.05. Check with a mathematician, they'll confirm it for you. David D. (Talk) 01:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Repeatedly adding or removing the same material is prohibitted, regardless of the content of that material. talk page discussion is the appropriate way to resolve content disputes, not edit-warring. Referred to WP:AN/3RR. DMacks 01:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry. I won't do it again. I was just thinking I could help wikipedia out, and make it accurate. I just guess I did it the wrong way. I still think that methane has a mass of 16.05, but I won't change it again. Sincerely, Anthony P.

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Request reason: "I did vandalize, but I admitted it and I won't do it again"

Decline reason: "This is only a 24 hour block, and even for anonymous IPs, this duration must last its full course. -- ZsinjTalk 22:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)"

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The duration of the block is 24 hours. Here are the reverts in question. WinHunter (talk) 06:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
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