User talk:61.68.53.30

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have new messages (last change).

Hi, Daniel. How's it going?

First, I'd like to say welcome to Wikipedia, and to suggest that you become a registered user. For one thing, that comes with a canned "welcome" message that explains a lot of things. Also, it gives you a "talk page", so that people can leave you messages all in one place, instead of having to figure out if they should be left for "Chillie" or "DJ Chillie" or "61.68.53.30", etc.

And when anonymous or unregistered users vote in the deletion debates, we don't usually consider their votes to count as much as otherwise: think about it, someone could make a nonsense article and then when we're voting on whether to keep it or not, he could get twenty of his friends from online to come and vote, anonymously, that it be kept "because it's a good article! Everybody watches Joey the Koala Nostril on TV and if you've never heard of him you're a retard!" You aren't that bad, but some people are.

Now, about the Gorilla Operation article. As I said, you did a very nice job with that; a lot of the time, articles on tiny little nothing-yet bands are full of bragging. And I believe you when you say that you're just a fan of theirs, and that they don't know about the article. The thing is, though, on Wikipedia, we've developed a certain specialized meaning for the word Vanity: it can refer to an article that you create for yourself, or an article that you create for someone who you know personally, or... well, read the Vanity guidelines. They explain a lot.

Now, we do have different standards for "personal vanity" and "band vanity" - for those, you should look at the music guidelines. From what we can tell, Gorilla Operation doesn't meet those standards. Not yet, anyway; come next year, maybe they'll be well on their way to fame, and then they'll deserve an entry. But not yet.

I looked on Google. Almost all the hits on "gorilla operation" are either references to surgery on gorillas, or misspellings of "guerilla operation". Some of the hits are about this band, but not enough.

We deal with a lot, a lot, a lot of articles that get created by people who think that having an article will help make them famous, will help them be legitimate. That's not what Wikipedia is for, so we naturally get a bit suspicious. You have no idea how many hundreds of band vanity articles we've deleted over the past year; on average, maybe ten a day? I'll be conservative and say three a day; that's still over a thousand. What makes Gorilla Operation any different?

Listen to me, Daniel. You created a very good article, for a band that doesn't qualify for an article yet. If and when they do - and trust me, you'll know when that happens - you can create a brand-new article for them, and people will say "oh, Gorilla Operation! Of course that deserves an article!"

But not yet.

In the meantime, you're welcome to stick around on Wikipedia and help out fixing articles and stuff like that; you can also create articles on other things if you're sure they qualify (I had an old friend who died a week and a half ago; I'm in the middle of an argument with myself about whether she qualified for an article).

Oh, and one more thing: if you register, then you get a User Page that you can put whatever you want on. For instance, you can mention that you're a big fan of Gorilla Operation, and you can link to their site, etc.

I hope this helps; if you want to leave me a message after you've registered, go to my user page (just click on my signature) and then click the "discuss this page" option. Okay? DS 13:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Answering your answer

Okay, Daniel, here's the thing. Yes, Gorilla Operation is a great article. But you yourself admitted that it "may not fit in with the rules" about what deserves an entry and what doesn't. You also said that, if I become an admin, maybe I could put forward an idea for having a space for "new and upcoming bands". The problem with that is that we'd never be able to turn back any entries into that kind of category - anyone can say that they've got a New Band!, even if all it is is two boys talking in the cafeteria about how great it would be to have a band - and it would quickly get filled up with rubbish.

HOWEVER.

If you register - and why not, it's free and you don't even have to provide an e-mail address - then you will get a User Page. And on this user page, you get to talk about yourself, say what you like to do in Wikipedia... and you get to create sub-pages. I'm seeing a userpage called "User:DanielFromOz" (or whatever name you like), with stuff about being thirteen, about your school, about what sort of articles you like to read, and then a paragraph saying "I like the band Gorilla Operation. They're quite new, but I think you'll like their music. They're not big enough to have a Wiki article yet, so you can read the article about them *here*", with a link to "User:DanielFromOz/Gorilla_Operation".

And then you just keep contributing to Wikipedia, participating in votes, leaving messages for people on their pages, and *always* signing your messages with a ~~~~ (which only works if you're a registered member). People will follow the ~~~~ link to your personal page, they'll see the link to the Gorilla Operation subpage, and some of them will get curious.

Several months ago, Bhadani joined Wikipedia, and one of the first articles he created was for his father Hariram, who died in 1996. I read this page and saw that Hariram didn't meet the standards for what was "notable", so I contacted Bhadani (it was easier, because he was a registered user) and told him that it would probably have to come down. He agreed, and the page was deleted. A few months later, I thought of subpages, and suggested to him that he ask an admin to undelete the article (admins can do that) and move it to User:Bhadani/Hariram. And since then, he's gotten a lot of messages from people who happened to be looking at his User page, and decided to follow the link to read about his father.

Really.

I look forward to getting a message from you *as a registered user*, Daniel. Bye! DS 16:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org../../../6/1/2E/User_talk%7E61.68.53.30.html"