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Hi.. My name is Don, I am a retired 63 year old Acadian. I live on the West Coast of Canada with my Dog. I have 2 boys (both techies, one with his own business) and three grand-children. I use the Web to gather and put out information and try and respect other people's opinion and now insist that all our institutions adhere to a protocol of "truth and the whole truth"...That is why I enjoy Wikipedia. It is finallly the "equalization" of the flow of information and the empowerment of the last disempowered estate: the common person. Marshall Mcluhan would be proud....We don't have to "get fooled again" Information will set us free! Let us do it in a civilized and respectful manner! 4d-don

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[edit] A Late Welcome

Bien venue, Salut, Hello, welcome to Wikipedia.

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Again, welcome! --Jondel 03:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] French

Vous parlez francais?(Do you speak French?) 'Cajun' doesn't refer to all Canadians does it? How many humans does your dog own? Sorry about the last one. Did you reach the time when they used latin in Church? BTW if you know any Catholic who is heavy into Yoga, please let me know. --Jondel 07:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Salut John...

Oui, je suis Acadien (cajun)...English is my second language but I am fluently bilingual having worked in French in Quebec (that's sort of French. we call it jwal (a slur/slang of Cheval-horse) lol), and English with the Royal Bank of Canada for many years. I attended primary school in French, High School in English and University in French, then business in English. "Cajun" is a slang for "Acadian" which were french settlers who lived in Acadia (what is now Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and New-Brunswick) until 1755, when most were deported to Europe, Africa, and Louisianna (after King Louis of France) where they went to live in the swamps with runaway slaves and other "undesireables" and became the "cajuns". Our Family and many Acadians were running from france because of the "protestant" reformation in the Catholic Church. We were "huguenots" or protestants. We moved to Acadia in 1641. One generation later, we were catholics again. Catholic church controlled the birth, marriage, school, hospital, death and afterlife, etc... My forefathers hid in the hills of New brunswick and avoided the "deportation".

My dog, a Great Pyrenae, thinks she owns everyone. They were bred to guard sheep in the mountains of Europe and are called "guardian dogs". Gentle but smart. I live in the country on acreage and my dog will tree a bear if it comes too close. She will not kill it, just tree it or send it away. They are known to let a predator on the property but not let it leave by "attack and retreat" until the predator climbs a tree or just gives up. Very smart. She owns the whole neighbourhood with the neighbour's male, also a Great Pyrenae. They always expand their territory, so they demand that I establish the bounderies (urinating) constantly...LOL

Yes I was a seminarian for 2 years during the latin period of the Catholic Church. That was when Chrisianity "qui laetificat juventutem meam" (was the joy of my youth). I thought after the Christian abuses (sexual, physical, and financial), which I saw and experienced first hand as I became a Banker after leaving the seminary, that I was getting into Raja Yoga with Sahaj Marg. It was sort of that at first but Babuji's death caused me to leave after meeting Chari. Lalaji (a sufi) and Babuji were genuine seekers. Michael is also a practicing Catholic who got into Sahaj Marg for the same reason (the Raja Yoga), and is now again into Catholicism as a "cafeteria" catholic. ie. To do good deeds and not get into the "structure". So he helps out with "inner city" problems in Austin Texas with a catholic priest who does not like the Catholic structure also....

Since I moved to the country, I meet very few people into "spirituality" or "religion" except the Natives (aboriginals)and the New Agers, specially Raja Yoga (mostly loggers and fishermen and retirees who are not into anything) Do you mean Raja, Hatha or other ???....But if I do I will steer them your way....

P.S. see my translation of my "latin" and tell me if you agree with my grammar and choice of word...on the Sahaj Marg site...I sent you a comment with my translation....

Keep on the Sunny Side of Life...

4d-don

[edit] Petite

== Petite et accipietis;quaerite et invenietis;pulsate et aperietur vobis ==


Ask and you shall receive, Seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened! Salve! Laudatum tuam mihi amo. Thank you for your complimenht. (I love your praise, literrally). You should visit la.wikipeida.org. I wish (Velim) I had more time to study the language. I saw your reply on latin by the way at the S. M. discussion page. --Jondel 07:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interlingua

Que pensa tu de iste lingua? Es multo facil leger, non? Specialmente si cognosce latin o lingua romantica como spaniol, frances, italiano. Io ama iste lingua et latin etiam. --Jondel 08:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Ave Johanes...

Amo latinum. Etiam est multo facile. Etiam. France est ligua romantica. Etiam. Non sum eloquens in latinum. vel...EGO sum non facundus tamen EGO mos perceptum.

salus....Ave...

--don 23:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Non sum facundus either, I mean etiam . Neque eloquens. There a lot of amateur latin enthusiasts over at the latin wiki. But I like languages, French, Latin etc. --Jondel 00:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serious Meditation

Sahaj really introduced me to serious meditation. I was planning to join TM. --Jondel 04:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sahaj Marg was serious Meditation...NOT

Sahaj used to be serious meditation. It is now "obey" the guru and the Structure and empowers what you focus on. Where it was a 16 circles of the material to get to the Divine, it is now the Whispers from the Brighter World which is really "spiritualism" Where is Houdini? To debunk it? LOL I see the abhyasis disempowered, without dreams of their own and their goals become Chari's or the SRCM's goals. That is not serious meditation. Serious meditation is contact with the Spirit, the divine, not Chari or SRCM, those are material things and egoistical people. Just my experience and my opinion.

Peace...Pace nobis Domine...

don.

[edit] Please Consider This

Hi Don,

Josh here. I have a question. Are there any more blogs other than the ones that you have listed as being "just a few?" I removed "just a few" from your post when I thought that I had added every single one that there is. If you know of any more, put them on. If you don't, perhaps remove the "just a few." Also, I wonder whether it belongs over the rest of the entries. It is basically a statement saying that this is not the place to discuss Sahaj Marg -- pro or con, and lists ways to discuss it through other avenues. But I find that although you wrote that, you still give opinions of Sahaj Marg on the discussion page. Also, if one were to write the mission to request permission to promote Sahaj Marg (as you have suggested), it would be denied, because it is quite clearly against the mission's constitution, written by Babuji, by which the mission is bound to abide, in order to qualify for its status with the government. So that suggestion is needless, due to these facts. Anyway, I don't think I will change that post again, but I do ask you to please consider these issues. I used to get very upset with your postings, and I still am uncomfortable with some of them, but they do not disturb me so much any more, and I see your perspective more clearly, though I am not any less loyal of an abhyasi. I do think that we are all learning from one another, which is valuable. Peace -- Josh


[edit] Considered and changed

Hi Josh..

Thanks for the input...I will change "a few" to "some". It is unfortunate that once someone start "proselytizing" the reaction is to "give opinions" to counter. I will refrain if all refrain....That is the reason for the post in the "Notice Section" of the page...I will keep my opinions in my and other blogs on line...Here I will remain "encyclopedic" and not get into the value of Sahaj Marg as a spiritual discipline. But I will give my opinion on the encyclopedic value, accuracy, verifiability of the information. Hope we don't get more "proselytizers" on this page..

Thanks for your civility this time...(no more "frog" jokes or other racial slurs)...Having been a "minority" (Acadian) in my country, I am used to it and I can take it (and would let it exist) but it does not reflect well on Sahaj Marg as a Spiritual discipline and "offends" some (other) French people. (especially the French from France as they still are in an "empire" mind set, having been one of Europes colonial empires of the past centuries.

Peace on Earth to all of Goodwill

[edit] Hadn't considered that

Don

Oh man! That was most DEFINITELY not a racial slur!! It just rhymed with blog! Sheer ridiculousness due to a mood of absurdity. Hope everybody doesn't think that it was like that. I can see how it might have been interpreted that way now, due to the fct that most of the blogs are French, and frogs legs are a delicacy in France! Not my intention whatsoever!! Josh


[edit] Prayer and Humility heals all

It does not offend me personally, having used it myself to "desensitise" situations in my "mediation and arbitration" roles in the past, but it does still offend some. But controlling the Mind, which is what Raja Yoga is about with it's Octave (eight-fold) path, maybe does not work if the tapas (austerities, sacrifice, service etc..) are removed from the system as with Sahaj Marg. It removes the sensitivity and the compassion and the love for the neighbour and specially for the "enemy" and makes one, in one's moment of anger, lash out with uncontolled words from the unfettered mind. Maybe the tapas was the "compassion-giving" mechanism of the Raja Yoga system.

Some of Chariji's comments on Christianity (confession) and Christ (wisdom in being crucified) also offends Christians but he also does not know, not being aware of the implications of the historical "righteousness" of the Christian mindset. Questionning Christ's wisdom in being crucified is akin to questionning Martin Luther King widsom in being shot. It just happened and should be respected as such and not "used" to further the goal of "stealing the sheep" of the Catholic or the Christians "Shepherds". The same for the "ability of Priests to "fogive sins", it should just be accepted as such, specially from a person who claims to be able to "create 10 Vivekenandas" at one sitting and to "remove Samskaras" from the Abhyasis. His statements, in my opinion, will creates "samskaras" and will be part of the "denseness" hat Chari transmits to the rest of you. And you will become like him as you "wish". Carefull what you wish, is the wisdom I was taught. Unless you think, like Chari, that his statements come from God, being the representative of God, and that he is "right" as he likes to claim.

The Jews are saying the same thing to the Christians who are trying to get Jews to convert to Christianity and I agree with them there also. It shows a great amount of ego and Machievialinism that is not what the claims of the group reflects. Love and respect should be what the Master encourages and "displays" also, and maybe that is the danger of becoming a "clone" of an imperfect Master. All the Imperfections also enter in. I am sure that you, in your own heart would be sensitive to "racism" and racist slurs. But Power corrupts. And that is what those who have left Sahaj Marg are saying. We did not like what we became with Sahaj Marg...See Chari's Denmark speech in Nopvmber 2003....

But I am sure that all this also shall pass....and I won't preach at you but I have the right to question and judge the system, if not the individuals in the system. How else can we use the "claim" and the "quote" approach of the Journalist in writing an encyclopedia, if we do not know what to attribute to a claim and what is a concensual "truth" because we all can see it. By their fruit, you shall know them, is a quote attributed to Christ but I'm sure it is not "original".....It is just a "Truism" and should be a benchmark for all spiritual disciplines and certainly for the Masters of these disciplines...

AMEN....(Just a Joke, I am not religious) "So be it" is the meaning of Amen in Latin...

PS. Thanks again for your "spirit" and your understanding of my intent here. If you are left with a bad taste, let me know...My intent is to reach a "brotherhood" with you and not an "enemy". Although if we do, I will still attempt to love you as an enemy and not ignore and reject you but to respect you as a "part of the ONE God".

Don...

[edit] Unfortunate Circumstances

Don

I can assure you that I didn't get my insensitivity from Chariji. I was not even aware that "frog" was a racial slur. Of course, if Chariji had told me that it was, I would not have used it, but other than that, I cannot find a way to blame him for my ignorance. I feel badly that world situations have led to such a general feeling of mistrust that the mere mention of an amphibian is enough to hurt someone's feelings. However, this is not my doing or responsibility, though I will take more care in the future.

Josh PS -- Thanks for making the change!


PPS -- Just noticed your recent blog entries. Thank you for your trust. By the way, the allegation that I am involved in computer science is absolutely false. I am, in fact, pursuing a career as a classical violinist.

Josh


[edit] I stand corrected

Sorry...It must have been another with the same name. Good luck in your music career. I have corrected on Poxy SRCM in my latest post...

Don

[edit] Thank You

Thanks, Don. I appreciate that.

Josh

[edit] Sahaj Marg

Hi Don, unfortunately I had to remove some of the links you posted to articles in French, according to Wikipedia guidelines. Do you know if there are translations of the aforementioned articles? They would be a welcome addition to the article (for balance).

Sfacets 06:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sahaj Marg NPOV

Hi! Hope this finds you well. I'm interested in collaborating on an updated version of the Sahaj Marg article. I've posted some comments on the discussion page for Sahaj Marg... I've also read your blog, and it seems we've shared some experiences. I'm fairly well versed in SM literature and philosophy, as well as being an avid wikipedia reader, so I bet between yourself, me, Sfacets and CP-Sakha we can come up with something even better than what's there now.

MatheoDJ 2006-10-16 10:37 (UTC)


[edit] Hi Matheodj =

Thanks for the input...and this message....I will write a comment on the Sahaj Marg Discussion page..

This is for you and me....CP-Sakha is now in India with Chari (in the Lion's den as Chari calls it), trying to "get back in" and although the idea of changing the text of the article and leaving the majority of the "quotes" in on my blog, sounds like a good idea, this is where the majority of the "searchers" come so this is the place to leave a "stand-alone" and "paraphrased" article and not rely on the "individual" blogs that are rumoured to be soon "legally challenged" by the Mission. So this is the only place for "controversial" information that might survive the "legal" challenges (being "paraphrased").

In a perfect world, I would agree with you. But this is a group that, being businessmen, and the "kings of Industry" and Indian "nationalists", use the courts all the time even against one another. If you read KC Narayana (Dr Varadachari's son, ex-member of the "working committee" and leader of the breakaway, ISRC (Institute for Ram Chandra Consciousness) which Christian and a bunch of preceptors and abhyasis have "defected" to, on Christian's blog, and also the comments on Michael's blog, you will notice that this is a "business" that uses Sprituality as a "product". So they are protecting their "investment" and their product.

See you later..We can discuss the Sahaj Marg material on the "discussion Page" there.....

Sfacets is the one who made me aware of the "Homosexuality" issue...

--don 20:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Don..

[edit] From SMSF-Srcm

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[edit] Reply to SMSF srcm

Hi SMSF...

Thanks for you message...I placed it at the end of the page...

So you have any proof of what you say.

1. Can you tell me a little about yourself... a. Abhyasi? Still part of SRCM? b. Preceptor? c. Which part of the world (India, Europe, USA, Canada ...) d. Why speak out now?

2. Baster's son, Krisha, owns the SRSF? Is there documentation or statements to this effect?

3. Barry Day is let go for speaking out? Does Barry Day speak out now, or is he still in SRCM?

4. Do you intend to "go public" as many of have done? Are you willing to "testify" (stand up and be counted) or give "your testimonial" anonymously. (compilation is in progress in Europe).

5. Do you have any evidence that the "inner circle" is travelling free of charge or at the expense of the Mission? (You mentionned one name and "son" of the Master)

6. Words written anonymously have no weigth and are just "hearsay" or gossip. Will you furnish a name (your first name and city) with the understanding that I can print it, and/or proof or evidence if that is possible?

Thanks for your contribution to the Wealth of Material being sent to me daily...If you want to communicate more "anonymously" that this, you can send it to "don-4d-don@hotmail.com"

Don--don 20:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] From SMSF srcm

Since removed by SMSF srcm...(See History Nov 21 for content)


[edit] Hi SMSF srcm...

Thanks for the Info....I guess you know the "ins" and "outs" of the Mission so you must still be "in" and do not want to "expose" yourself.

I will wait for your next instalment...and sorry that you are caught in such a "terrible" situation, if things are as you describe them...It must be terrible. Is this the "path to the ONE God" for you? Do you think that the ONE God favours such "goings ons" with "blessings"?

don


[edit] From SMSF srcm

Hi don...

Since Removed by SMSF srcm...(See History Nov 21 for content)

[edit] Reply to SMSF srcm

Hi SMSF srcm...

What do you wish to accomplish with these messages to me on my "User Page"? Do you wish to give me a "heads up" or alert me to the "corruption" in the Mission? This information will be part of the "public debate" on Sahaj Marg and the SRCM and will not be "hidden"...

You probably realize that I don't have to be convinced about SRCM as I have been an abhyasis myself. I was there when Chari took over and left after meeting him and looking into his "soul" through the windows of the soul, the eyes.

I appreciate you information...If you want something more from me, please say so...I think your info should be out in the "public" as that is the place where it would have the most "impact"...It can be done without "exposing" yourself too much. Others have done it and you could do the same or add your comments to other people's sites where it would be seen by more people than on my "user page"

Just a thought...I will be here for you if you need me...and you don't "bother me"...You just confirm my and other's feelings and "suspicions"...

Thank you for your courage...

Keep on the Sunny Side of Life...and...Forgive them for they know not what they do!!!

Don...

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