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[edit] Ayn Rand

  1. The article already says that she came from a Jewish family; why do you want to repeat this?
  2. In fact you're not merely adding "Jewish" to the text and the categories, but you're deleting "Russian"; why? Do you have something against Russians, or what?
  3. There's no article Jewish (follow the link; see where it leads). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:16, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not adding "Jewish" to the text - it was already there, I just made it a link so it goes somewhere. Ethnicities/nationalities/countries of birth are usually written in a link like that one. - Anyway, Rand is already in the "Russian People In The United States" category, which makes sense, since she was born a Russian national. But she is not "ethnically" Russian at all - and she wouldn't have really been considered "Russian" by most Russians. I think the "Russian-American" category should really be reserved for people are who are fully or partially "Russian" in an ethnic sense - like most "insert ethnicity-American" categories (and to that regard I added a few people, like Sandra Dee and Michelle Trachtenberg (she's half Russian), to the Russian category). Otherwise, you could probably list half of the Jewish people in the United states as "Russian-Americans" - since so many have ancestors from Russia. But obviously in an ethnic and somewhat cultural sense they're not really Russian. - What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.149.226 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC).





I'm not exactly sure how to work these but anyway, about the directors:

Don Siegel graduated from Jesus College, which I find a bit strange for a Jew, but then again who knows.

Chris Weitz's first name means "follower of Jesus" I'm not sure why a Jew would do that but once again, who knows.

I'll give you Pakula, though I find it very odd that his last name is Polish-Catholic, plus your source does not say whether his mother is Jewish. Also Pakula is never listed on Jewish sites as an Oscar-Winning Director.

I guess its ok to include Frankenheimer and Cecil, but I'm not sure how fair it is to have Jewish converts plus people who don't associate with Judaism on the same list.

I read Aronofsky's father was Jewish in an article years ago, and since I can't provide that article at the moment, I'll leave it be until then.

I've never heard of Castle being Jewish.

Michael Mann is the big puncher, you say Jewhoo is 100% accurate but then again it has great reasons to be bias. The last name Mann is not typicall Jewish (regardless of the stereotypes) but there is no other site on the internet which lists his religious affiliation, so I can't counter anything as of yet.

Also, there are a lot of lists which have people listed twice (not sure why thats necessary, but ok). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.10.36.45 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 1 August 2005 (UTC).


I hope you get this reply - I don't know how this works either. Jewhoo has always been the #1 site for noting Jewish celebrities - they always manage to sort out the "Crap" information found on so many sites from the real info (and they never list anyone based on "last name" only, they always have to have an explicit source for someone being Jewish). If they list someone as Jewish you can bet they've confirmed it elsewhere. Michael Mann - I found another reference - film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,6737,649435,00.html - "In the other there's a stocky Chicago Jew who barely began punching his weight as a film-maker until early middle-age. Yet one quality at least links Muhammad Ali and Michael... "

Castle is pretty easy - born William Schloss in New York, and he was listed on Jewhoo which would seal the deal. I'm sure Pakula's mother was Jewish too (not that it really matters) since Jewhoo's entry didn't point out otherwise (and they do if the person is only half Jewish).

There are a few Jews and half Jews named "Chris". I.e. Chris Kattan. Weitz isn't "fully" Jewish - his father was Jewish and his maternal grandfather was Jewish. His maternal grandmother was Mexican actress Lupita Tovar (I believe that's the name) and she was probably Catholic.

As for Jesus College - I don't think that's a religious college. It was just founded by a nun or something and hence bears the name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.149.226 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 2 August 2005 (UTC).

(extra note: I searched for more Pakula info and this obituary mentions that both of his parents were Polish Jewish immigrants - http://www.talkcinema.com/reviews/pakula.html) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.149.226 (talk • contribs) 05:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC).


8/23/05-- WHO KEEPS ADDING RIDICULOUS NONSENSE LIKE:

Carter brothers--LUDICROUS Estelle Parsons--WHAT????? Laura Prepon (non-Jewish mother) Gabrielle Carteris (Greek) Natalie Schafer--not every German name is Jewish or uniquely Jewish Sean Flynn-Amir Frank Silvera John Frankenheimer (raised Catholic--on List of Roman Catholics Chris Klein--again, not every German name is Jewish or uniquely Jewish Michelle Trachtenberg (non-Jewish mother) Amber Benson (non-Jewish mother) Rob Schneider (non-Jewish mother) Hedy Lamarr--QUESTIONABLE--WHERE IS IT CONFIRMED (PARDON THE EXPRESSION) THAT SHE WAS JEWISH??? Sean & Chris Penn (non Jewish mother)

PLEASE STOP RE-ADDING THIS NONSENSE--IT IS GARBAGE THAT TRIVIALIZES THE WHOLE LIST/TOPIC AND CREATE A WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT FOR YOURSELF SO YOUI CAN BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AND COMMUNICATED WITH, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!!

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(email-rms125a@hotmail.com) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk • contribs) 03:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC).


Please, lower the tone of your voice. For someone whose information is either incorrect or irrelevant, you are very fond of raising it. Anyway, I e-mailed you. In general, I do hope you refrain from updating the "Jewish Americans" list unless you have some sort of new addition, this pointless deleting of people who are either Jewish or half Jewish (doesn't matter which half) is sheerly counter-productive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.149.226 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 23 August 2005 (UTC).

You have put a lot of work into race-labelling. I think it is not what we need here. Race is the least usefull piece of information about most of these prople. It is also non-factual unless there are citations and some criteria on what exact genetic makup receives an epithet. I will be doing some reverting. The static that will result is another thing we don't need here. I hope that is not what you intended. Meggar 20:37, 2005 September 5 (UTC)

Alright, that is a good link for Chloë Sevigny being part Polish. If she says so then it is correct. That is the only acceptable criterion. Each person picks his or her own label, if any. No other facts or opinions matter. Meggar 03:04, 2005 September 6 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Please don't delte categories without a reason. I see that you are replacing entries like Category:Latvian Americans with Category:Jewish Americans. It is certainly possible to be in both categories. I'm going to rollback most of your removals - if you want to add "jewish American" than please do so without removing other ethnic/national-origin information. Thanks, -Willmcw 09:30, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, for Abraham Hirschfeld he may be Jewish, I don't know. Cite your source and add the Jewish American category... don't replace the Polish American one. gren グレン 10:04, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Congrats go out to Wilmcw, for reverting a large number of correct edits without any real purpose or motivation.

JEZZZ Willmcw, besides the "Jewish Americans" ones, what exactly was the point of taking out "Polish" from Chloe Sevigny? Her mother is Polish ("my mother's family is Polish" - http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2005/foxsearchlight/melinda/chloe-interview.html) and her French ancestry is minimal at best. You just assumed I was wrong and took it out on principal. Well, I am never wrong about the family background of famous people. Ever. Get it?

Don't ever revert any of my edits unless you can provide explicit and reliable proof that I am incorrect - and that is something which will be near impossible for you to do, obviously. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.149.226 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 23 August 2005 (UTC).

On Gil Kane: someone who was born in Latvia, to Latvian Jewish parents, and moved to the U.S. when he was three, is clearly Latvian-American and Jewish. Please stop removing accurate and non-exclusive categories when you add a new one. Why is this so hard for you to understand? ←Hob 13:30, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please cite sources

Please WP:CITE source(s) when making sweeping changes to Wikipedia articles. For example, you have added a large number of articles to the Roman Catholics category without providing any credible references. In almost every case, the external links already listed within the article do nothing to confirm this as well. If you would, please state the source(s) for your recent changes; I will be temporarily reverting most of these until you can do so. If you have any other questions, please let me know and I would be more than glad to help. Best regards, Hall Monitor 17:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tyrone Power

Hi, sorry I think I may have made a mistake re: Tyrone Power, I guess I had assumed his Schuster ancestors were jewish as most famous Schusters are, but from looking into it it looks like a lot are Catholic, from Germany and the Alsace region of France. Also I have determined that Paul Schuster's wife was not Amanda Eliza Schwebel(which can be a jewish) but Amanda Eleanor Brazee which is a NY name possiby Dutch or French in origin. It is possible however that Tyrone Power's father's family were part jewish (which is partly what led me to think the Schusters might be) as the brother and sister of his paternal grandmother both married into the Solomon and Nathan families, who were in the top of the jewish community in London. Arnie587 13:25, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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