User talk:203.54.191.179

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[edit] Cave Clan

In case you missed it on the Cave Clan talk page, here's what I wrote in responce to the info you provided:

I've added much of the information you've provided. The info about graffiti is in the Graffiti section. The info about "Attempts to dominate Urban Exploration in Australia" is in the Controversy section. Some notes & questions:

  • for Il Draino condoning tagging... it would be good if the exact date or year(s) were provided.
  • you wrote: "Eradication of information about other Urban Exploration groups, such as the removal of the Wikipedia article about the Sydney Tunnel Rats. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Acb" but from reading Doug's comments what I understand is that he deleted the link to the Tunnel Rats article, not the article itself.
  • Also on the Tunnel Rats: the wikipedia article is about the Vietnam soldiers who went by that name. I presume that the urbex group Tunnel Rats took the name in homage, but their is no article specifically about them. Feel free to create one.
  • In relation to the following statements... I have no access to the original article and don't quite understand the situation; I also have no way of telling who is in which group without reading more of the forum than I'd like to. But anyway I'm not sure Wikipedia is the place for who accused who of what.
"Discrediting of rival Urban Exploration groups: Beating up negative reports about them such as claiming the Sydney Tunnel Rats were part of a Neo Nazi group when one member was caught with Urban Exploration equipment in his car during the Cronulla Riots.
"Cave Clan member Siologen states "I dont know for sure if Val of The Tunnel Rats was indeed involved in organised white power groups. Either way he was very stupid doing what he did, and it has been made worse by the fact the media have now started using him as an example and scapegoat." http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=3&threadid=26075&currpage=1&pp#post12"
  • & In relation to the following statement... the source you site seems to be a personal conflict between the two people or groups, and doesn't adequately support the statement. Other sources would be needed.
"Deliberate discrediting and down playing the achievements of rival Urban Exploration groups and individuals such as falsely claiming that Cave Clan did things first or that the groups or individuals were inspired by Cave Clan activities. http://www.urbanadventure.org/main/copyright/copyright.htm"
  • In relation to Il Draino publishing racist material, you provide no sources.

So I think that's everything. The clean-up tag can probably come down but it would be nice if another Wikipedian could look this over before the NPOV tag comes down too. -- hibou 17:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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