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If we're going to define the number one, I think we need to cover more. One is the identity in many number systems, not just multiplication over a ring.

I also think Peano's definition of number deserves a mention. And then we're into definitions of number, which is probably a more fruitful article, but one I'm not qualified to write. --Vicki Rosenzweig

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[edit] hey

Doesn't all the stuff at the bottom of the list belong at the disambig page? Isn't that what disambig pages are for??? Revolver 09:43, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] OK, what the heck....

I enjoyed piling on to the "one is also" list and contributing some trivia, and experienced a twinge of ego deflation when Eloquence deleted them. (And, worse yet, called it a "crap removal example." Crap? Crap? CRAP????!!! My inclusion of the Marvin Hamlisch song entitled One was certainly not crap, it was absolutely on target, scintillatingly clever, incontrovertibly encyclopedic, and I was about to self-nominate it for Brilliant Prose when—but I digress).

Anyway, I stared at the list, considered reverting the pageand thought about what I would actually appreciate finding if I followed a link to an article on One and decided Eloquence was right.

Dpbsmith 23:19, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

...But, what the heck, if people think the "one is also" list DOES belong, darned if I'm getting left out of the party. So, I guess I will add those entries to the list. Dpbsmith 16:19, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed criteria for inclusion in "other meanings" section

If we're going to have a list... we should distinguish between

a) things that actually have something fundamental to do with one-ness or properties of the number one—these are IMHO the legitimate items. If there are any. And,

b) things that are associated with number 1 simply because they are the first of a numbered group of things (e.g. highway route numbers).

The latter should probably be characterized as '"trivia." Dpbsmith 12:01, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

In response to (b): can you assume that something was given the number 1 just because it happened to be the first, or was it given the number 1 because it's the most important of the set? Also, be careful to call things "trivia" if your POV is the only thing telling you its trivia. E.g., the Marvin Hammlisch song is trivia to me because I don't care about Broadway musicals, but it would be wrong for me to impose my sense of trivia on others. 141.217.200.131 22:39, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
In the example I gave (highway route numbers), those that are numbered "one" are indeed simply the first, not the most important. Re trivia: perhaps I shouldn't have used that word, but I gave an NPOV definition of what I meant by it. The Marvin Hamlisch song does not illustrate any particular property of the number "one." It is simply a song whose title happens to be "One." It doesn't have a very good claim to be mentioned in an article about "One," any more than Beethoven's Symphony No. 1, Brahms' Symphony No. 1, Mahler's Symphony No. 1, Rachmaninov's Symphony No. 1, or Sibelius' Symphony No. 1, none of which are trivial piece of music, but all of which are trivial examples of the number 1. Dpbsmith 01:47, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I can see your point about it not being worthwhile to list all the Symphonies No. 1, there are too many of them and probably none of them illustrates oneness (though it reminds me about a particular Symphony No. 0 which is worth mentioning in the article on zero).

Does the Marvin Hamlisch song illustrate any properties of the number one? I don't know, I've probly never heard that song. Is that the song that says "one is the loneliest number"? Whatever song says that illustrates a property of the number one, and is worth including in this article.

As for the highways, 1 is often the most important national, state or local highways, and it might also be the first. For example, Michigan 1 is Woodward Avenue, which is the central north-south street of the metro Detroit area. Those numbers are not always given sequentially, but are instead matched up between properties of the number and properties of the highway, e.g., odd-numbered U.S. interstates are north-south highways. (I don't think state and local highways are worth listing, but national ones should be listed.) 141.217.173.168 16:31, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Evolution of glyphs

I think the articles 0 - 9 ought to discuss how the glyph for the numeral in question evolved. In the case of 1, I was about to write in the article that its form has remained very stable through the many permutations by the Hindus and Arabs, but I'm holding off on that until I do a little more reading on the subject. PrimeFan 17:47, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)


[edit] A page for the word "one"?

See discussion towards the end of Talk:List of numbers/Deletion.

[edit] Prefixes

Some of the number articles of Wikipedia have prefixes added to their tables; others don't. What's the problem?? Check to see which do and which don't. 66.245.0.163 20:35, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Pee

I saw there was no mention of 1 in reference to urinating in the Human Society section, so I added it. Then I saw that there was a reference in "other fields". First, it seems more appropriate for it to be in "human society". Second, I see very little distinction between what goes in "human society and "other fields". The definition in "other fields" is better than the definition I have/had in "human society".

That makes perfect sense. The "Other fields" section has grown haphazardly, and it was overdue for sorting. Anton Mravcek 20:07, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Natural Numbers

The second sentence of this article, "It is the natural number following 0 and preceding 2" implies that 0 is a natural number, which it isn't. This should probably say something like "It is the first natural number, preceding 2". --82.5.17.21 11:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

this is thornier than wheter 1 is prime or not. If you skim the article on natural number, it tells you right off the bat that including 0 is optional. further down it mentions the notations N0 and N* (set of natural num.s with zero & w/o). I'm pretty sure I've seen both of these in math papers. Numerao 17:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that the sentence implies anything about 0, and so it should stand as is. 1 is a natural number, and it follows 0, so it's the natural number following 0, and that's all the sentence really says. Cf. this analogous sentence from Glossary of Fencing Terms: "A counter-riposte is the offensive action following the parry of any riposte" -- I hope you'll agree this doesn't imply that a parry is an offensive action.
Furthermore, if we do rewrite this line, I'd rather change "natural number" to "integer" than lose the reference to 0. 4pq1injbok 00:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] smth interesting I found out

Every number that had no other digits in it but "1" can be divided only to prime numbers. For example, 111 can be divided to 37 and to 3, both prime numbers. I tried this with even rather large numbers (1111111) and so far it has worked. Can anyone confirm this? For god's sake, someone must write a post signing script for wiki ASAP. I'm sick of forgetting to write those 4 tildes at the end of each post. CommandoGuard 11:35, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're conjecturing, but our Repunit (factors) page should settle the matter. In particular, not every (non-trivial) factor of a repunit must be prime. Indeed any number with more than two prime factors will have nonprime proper factors: so 111111 = 3 · 7 · 11 · 13 · 37 has nonprime factors like 3 · 7 and 11 · 13 · 37, not to mention 111 = 3 · 37 and 1001 = 7 · 11 · 13. Even repunits with a prime number of 1s can have more than two prime factors: 1111111111111 = 53 · 79 · 265371653. 4pq1injbok 13:57, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but I'm talking about the most basic level of the dividers. If you try to do the same with twos or threes, or any other number (9999999, for example), the most basic level of the dividers will have non-primes in it (in the very most of cases).
If your referring to divisors, your already wrong about numbers "that have no otehr digit but "1"" Look at 4pq1injbok's example: 111111 is divisible by the primes 3, 7, 11, 13, 37, but also by composites like 21, 33, 77, even the all 1s numbers 111. Numerao 22:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] One... The Movie

Maybe I was a bit harsh in calling the link to the One... The Movie a "spam link" in my edit summary, but the point of the "In film" section of the article is to talk about how the integer 1 is used by filmmakers, not to advertise films that are so new the IMDB is "awaiting 5 votes" before posting a user rating. PrimeFan 22:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

No worries...offense can only be given when it is taken, and the spam comment was clearly over-the-top. Moreover, the film is not broadly available -- it is only currently showing in California -- so the description was meant to be just that (descriptive) and certainly could not even serve as an advertisement (how would anyone see it unless they lived in CA?) even if I had intended to, which I did not. I would also observe that the point of any encyclopedia article is to be both informative and interesting, not just one or the other. Just listing the movies by name is informative, but not at all interesting...especially-so when all the movies' names are basically the same ("One"). The other movies could have descriptions added as well, and thereby delete the current, boring info-without-interest character that this section currently has. --AustinKnight 05:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

My one cent on htis issue: ideally their is a breif description explaining why the movie has this number and not that number in the title, and theer is a link to an Wikipedia article about the movie. Numerao 20:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Money

What are we trying to do with the money section. A dollar bill is often called a one as in "Give me three ones" while a penny is never called a one. --Gbleem 23:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Right. I guess they're saying "[One is] The denomination in cents..." of the US penny, which is the "one cent piece". Herostratus 17:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, why only American and Canadian currency. Do we really want to add a notation for every currency? The Australian one dollar coins has kangaroos on it. I can't remember what the one cent coin had. What about New Zealand? British pounds? Are we going to describe all the different sides of the Euros? (I think it would be cool if we did.)RoseWill 11:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Wikipedia should have a table of denominations, countries and portraits, with links respectively to numbers, bank systems and people. Then the articles on numbers like 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 25, 50, 100, 200, 500, 1000, etc., could provide a link to that table. Anton Mravcek 15:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unus

Shouldn't Unus/Una be included as the latin word for one? Wikisquared 17:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

I have added in the religion section over and over again. Please don't revert. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manatba (talk • contribs).

The problem is that you're not just adding a reference to there being one God in Islam - you're also adding text that (while important to your faith) is not germaine to the topic of the article. Perhaps if you were to only add the first sentence of your text, you might find that it is better received. Cheers. --Ckatzchatspy 06:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
As a "guilty" reverter, I wholeheartedly agree with CKatz. Budgiekiller 06:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redundancy

Resembles something that in itself represents a penis?

Come on people. Clear writing. You could also say it resembles a stick, resembles a hot dog resembles an obelisk represents a penis.

Please don't re revert. I mean, an obelisk? For christs sake.Thechosenone021 03:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

First off, your text was speculative, which was why it was removed. Secondly, I've removed the "obelisk" text altogether, as it is a subjective assessment, and entirely dependant on which typeface you use. --Ckatzchatspy 05:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


I was simply aiming for compromise in the text. The former, standing edit made an even larger assumption and I reduced the size of it. I don't mind if its removed, or stands as you have it now. The Obelisk thing is just ridiculous, is all i'm saying. ThanksThechosenone021 15:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree - the obelisk reference was rather odd, and shouldn't have been there. It was a good call to do something about it. --Ckatzchatspy 18:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
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