Talk:1986 FIFA World Cup

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Contents 1 Requested move 2 Alessandro Altobelli 3 USSR - Hungary 4 France - Brazil 5 What company broadcasted the Argentina-england game in 86? 6 Pictures 7 Rainbow Warrior incident 8 3rd place qualifiers

[edit] Requested move

Football World Cup 1986 → 1986 FIFA World Cup – following the consensus of naming the World Cup articles as FIFA World Cup in Wikipedia, and consistency of naming the major international football tournaments.

Discuss here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Competitions#Requested move of Football World Cup articles. --Pkchan 10:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Moved per consensus. --Pkchan 13:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alessandro Altobelli

An anon user keeps placing Alessandro Altobelli as having 4 goals in the competition, while I count only 3: Against Bulgaria, Argentina and Korea Republic. Perhaps there's a mistake with the goals in the competition, but until that is fixed Altobelli should appear having 3 goals. Mariano(t/c) 09:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Altobelli scored 4 goals. 1 vs Bulgaria, 1 vs Argentina, 2 vs South Korea.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.205.128.247 (talk • contribs).

Your're right, my mistake. I'll fix it.Mariano(t/c) 14:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] USSR - Hungary

Frankly, there was no USSR team in 1986, it was the exact ukranian team (Dinamo Kiev to be precise) under the sickle-hammer disguise. Anyhow, the hungarian defeat 6-0 against them is often considered a "second Mohacs" (first Mohacs was the loss of a big battle against ottoman turks in 1526, ending independence). It is said the 1986 fiasco marked end of decline of the entire hungarian soccer team, which started in 1966 with frequent goalkeeper errors. We haven't yet recovered, no world cup slots for us since 1986. 195.70.48.242 10:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] France - Brazil

Something is wrong in the penalty shots. In Zico's page it says he missed the penalty but on this page it says he scored. He missed, but then, if you make the change, then the last French player would not have needed to shoot. --Lduperval 20:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

His article sais he missed "a penalty during regular time". He did score his goal in the penalty definition. No contradiction. Mariano(t/c) 08:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What company broadcasted the Argentina-england game in 86?

Hopefully someone can tell us who broadcasted the games for the 1986 world cup match against Argentina and england.

Lots of TV and Radio companies, in lots of countries. Can you be more specific? Kevin McE 00:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

There should be more pictures of Diego Maradona's hand ball or his goal of the century.MegasAllexandros 02:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rainbow Warrior incident

As a New Zealander, I shouldn't be saying this, but I think it's a good thing we didn't make it into the final 24 like we did four years earlier. With the Rainbow Warrior incident fresh in the All Whites' minds, if they were to go up against France, there would have been quite a few fights on the pitch and the referee would really have to practise his card-showing because he was going to have to do it quite a bit. Scott Gall 21:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC) PS: Starting to go off the topic, but seeing as I wasn't born yet, did anyone watch the RWC 1987 final? And as it was between NZ and France, was there any fighting on the field?

[edit] 3rd place qualifiers

AFAIR, the teams third in each group did not qualify as simply as the top 4 of 6: there was a rather contrived system to avoid teams who had played each other in the group stages meeting in the second round which meant that it was possible even to have been the third best of the third placed teams and yet still not reach the third round. The current table, although it describes what happened, does not reflect the rality of why those 4 teams continued in the competition. Kevin McE 19:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not here to challenge your memory, as your memory is as useful as mine and everybody else's, but if possible please provide a source. Otherwise, I can only revert the change since it's unproven at this point. I do remember (at least from the 94 World Cup) that there was a convoluted system (some sort of table) to assign the four best third-placed team to the four slots in the knockout bracket. Basically, depending on the combination of these four teams, e.g. ABCD (which teams are ranked first, second, third and fourth do not matter), then these four teams are assigned to the slots based on the table, e.g. the team from Group A is assigned to Slot #1, etc., so as to avoid a team from meeting the winner from the same group again in the Round of 16 (and also the quarterfinals). Chanheigeorge 19:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's a sample table:

Combination	Slot #1 CDE	Slot #2 ABF	Slot #3 BEF	Slot #4 ACD
ABCD	C	A	B	D
ABCE	C	B	E	A
ABCF	C	F	B	A
ABDE	D	B	E	A
ABDF	D	B	F	A
ABEF	E	B	F	A
ACDE	D	A	E	C
ACDF	C	A	F	D
ACEF	E	A	F	C
ADEF	D	F	E	A
BCDE	D	B	E	C
BCDF	C	F	B	D
BCEF	E	B	F	C
BDEF	E	F	B	D
CDEF	D	F	E	C

Only evidence I can find right now is the small print under the heading "The format" at http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=World%20Cup%3A%20Mexico%201986. However, I recall that the system did in fact allow some groups an advantage, albeit very slight, over other groups (I remember this because I had a particular interest in N Ireland, and they could have been disadvantaged by the system, although in the event it was the top 4 of the third placed sides who went through. Most pages found on a google search of "1986 World Cup", "third place" qualify" that refer to this seem to be sourcing Wikipedia, which I would contend is in (slight) error. Kevin McE 00:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I've also heard of commentary like "the third-placed teams of some groups have a slight advantage", but it's never been clearly stated how this advantage may materialize, e.g. under what scenario would the 5th or 6th team advanced, and obviously no such scenario actually happened in 86, 90 and 94. So I'm really not sure if it's correct or not. The commentary can also be due to misinterpretation of the FIFA rules, since the system is quite convoluted and it's possible that people thought it's something that it's actually not. For example, I remember each of the slots are labelled something like "A3,B3,C3", so people may think it's the best placed of the three teams, where in fact it's just any of the three teams (based on the table). It'd be great if we can get hold of official FIFA rules, or some sort of old newspapers or magazines that report on those tournaments, as they may have an explanation of how those slots are filled. Chanheigeorge 19:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

As I recall, the system was something along the lines of:

• the best of the 3rd placed teams from groups A, B and E would play 1st in group C
• the best of the 3rd placed teams from groups B, C and F (or the second best of these if 3rd in B had already qualified to play 1st in C) would play 1st in group A,
• the best of the 3rd placed teams from groups A, C and D would play 1st in group F (but it could have been that 3rd in A and 3rd in C had already qualified to play winners of C and A respectively, in which case 3rd in D would have reached the second round even if they had the worst record of all the third placed teams).Kevin McE 23:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your info. It's also possible that such an "unfair" system was in used for 86, but FIFA changed it to a fair system for 90 and/or 94. Chanheigeorge 23:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)