Talk:1979 Atlantic hurricane season

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[edit] Elena and Frederic

You know what's weird? Elena reached tropical storm strength on August 30th at 18z. Frederic formed on August 30th at 12z! Why wasn't Frederic Elena and vice versa? Was Fred upgraded operationally after Elena or something?

Hurricanehink 16:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

You're right, it must have been caught later. That would have changed a lot of infamous storms...the domino effect would have been:
  • If Frederic was Elena and retired as that name, then Elena (1985) would have been some other E name, and we'd have Erika on the list right now as it is (next use 2009). Alternatively, Erika could have been the immediate replacement name, and we'd have a different name on the list right now.
  • If Elena was Frederic and the name Frederic stayed on, we would have had three more Frederics...what was Hurricane Fabian in 2003 would have been Hurricane Frederic, and likely Fabian on the 2009 list (replacing Frederic for Fred immediately wouldn't have happened).
CrazyC83 20:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 1979 Hurricane Name List

"The 1979 Atlantic Hurricane Season was the first season to use a full list of pre-chosen names since naming of storms began." This assertion is refuted by the existence of other lists of pre-designated names before 1979. List_of_previous_tropical_cyclone_names

[edit] 1979 Hole

This would make 1979 season article almost imageless. It would lokk pretty bad. juan andrés 04:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Yea... Not sure how to fix that. Hurricanehink 04:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry it will be a way to solve this, it will be... juan andrés 01:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1979 Button Bar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:1979_Atlantic_hurricane_season/_buttons

Here ya go.1978 and 1980 have it so this is 1979.It wont show for me.HurricaneCraze32 15:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

You're supposed to use { and } for templates, not ( or ) . Hurricanehink 15:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
That would answer it.HurricaneCraze32 19:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Please don't misname templates. It should be {{1979 Atlantic hurricane season buttons}}. There's no need to add an arbitrary and wrong / in there. — jdorje (talk) 20:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

What the heck does arbitrary mean? Though you messed up 1968's one.HurricaneCraze32 15:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
It means useless, and is a fairly common word. The / was not supposed to be there. Hurricanehink 16:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok.Besides-my 1933 one is becoming a pain with lack of info.I was able to get 1/3 of the way (7).Any chance you can find some info.I have tried most search engines.HurricaneCraze32 16:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
?? Could you repeat that again in normal English? What exactly is the problem? Hurricanehink 17:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I am having a problem with the last 14 storms of 1933 for its button bar-lack of info-could you find some.HurricaneCraze32 17:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
There's no need for a 1933 button bar. This site has tracking info for all 21 storms, but no information on damages/deaths. I think that is what you are looking for, though I see no real need for one. Hurricanehink 21:48, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I was right in the 1st 7 storms (2H,5TS)-Thanks for the help.HurricaneCraze32 12:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, putting bars and templates to seasons before 1960, its pretty useless. juan andrés 02:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Bob's New Information

I gave it some new information which was lacking a lot.HurricaneCraze32.70.18.92.122 13:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Is there any way to obtain images for this season and seasons previous to it, as the 1980+ season have, or is it nearly impossible? Weatherman90 02:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. We want them them, but there's nothing. The website that provided images for many of the 80's and 90's seasons only goes back to 1983, and 1981-2 was from the monthly weather review. If anyone has anything, let us know! However, I've spent many a time searching and no go. Hurricanehink 02:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I've also have been searching, but nothing. juan andrés 03:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
It's too bad that there arent nice images like the one for Fredric for all the other storms! 165.234.102.25 15:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Found a picture of Henri that is, unfortunately, in an AMS published document. The source is http://ams.allenpress.com/pdfserv/10.1175%2F1520-0493(1984)112%3C1108:TTCROS%3E2.0.CO%3B2 and it's "Figure 4". Jake52 My talk 00:41, 10 July 2006 (EST)
Great find! I wonder if, because it is a US satellite (NASA), it would qualify for public domain? --Hurricanehink (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Q: Do I need written permission?

A: No. Our "blanket permission" in the copyright statement on the inside cover of our journals provides for the use of figures and brief excerpts without formal written permission provided you acknowledge the source of the material. Therefore, written permission is not needed.

This is from the FAQ page on AMS' website. What do you think? Does this mean the pics are useable? Jake52 My talk 22:32, 10 July 2006 (EST)

I don't know. You should ask User:Titoxd. He's generally good with thse types of things. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
The pictures are not explicitly released under a free license, so they cannot be uploaded to commons; that said, we have an extremely strong fair use argument here, as they are the only images available of their kind, and serve to illustrate the subject in a way that they would not infringe upon their commercial resale value. As a result, we could upload them under WP:FU (make sure to have a written rationale for any image you upload!) However, what would be ideal is for someone to ask the AMS whether they can actually be used on Wikipedia under {{attribution}}—meaning that they are available to be released under a license that allows commercial redistribution, such as the images listed on WP:IT. Titoxd(?!?) 02:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Only non landfalling storm?

What about Buelah in 59 and Inga in 61? Huh? and Edouard was the same in 84. Not just jeanne and henri. →Cyclone1→ 23:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

That was added by Storm05, who didn't add a reference. I removed that, and changed it to something more general. Hurricanehink 02:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanx. →Cyclone1→ 16:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Found Something Interesting

I was recently visiting the site where the images of Hurricanes Greta and Belle came from (the ones that were blue) and stumbled on an odd picture. The picture showed Hurricane David...err what WOULD become David (a tropical wave in the picture) and noticed the picture caption said it was taken on July 23rd. While looking at the picture, I noticed this little bunch of convection. According to the date of the picture and most of the data on the season, that bunch is where Claudette was at the time. My question is this: Is that convective mess what we know as Tropical Storm Claudette (1979)? Jake52

Looks like it. Good work! Hurricanehink (talk) 13:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Actualy, scratch that. The site says it was taken on September 23, 1979, but David formed well before that. In fact, only one (sub)tropical storm formed after it. I'm not sure why they say David, but I now seriously doubt that this was a precursor to Claudette. If the date was wrong, but it was still David as a tropical wave, it still can't be Claudette. David moved off the coast of Africa on August 22. Given its location, I would guess the picture was taken on August 23, almost a full month after Claudette dissipated. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I see. Must've gotten a little confused there. Well, all I can say is the search is on...again. Jake52
LOL, good luck. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
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