Talk:1821 Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane

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Contents 1 Track 2 Claims 3 Restarted 4 Todo

[edit] Track

There is a possible track map on the Talk page for 1820-1829 Atlantic hurricane seasons, someone might be able to put it in the article. Hurricanehink 23:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

This article really needs some sources...it's claims are too unbelievable otherwise. Jdorje 00:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Claims

If the unbelievable claims in this article are true, it probably has something to do with Tambora. Jdorje 00:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I have a real gripe about past hurricane that no one knows about that have their own article. What is the non-hurricane freak going to care about a hurricane no one remembers? And for the hurricane freaks, this article is probably short enough to go into the decadal article. Another thing, the hurricane was not the only hurricane in history to hit NYC directly. A hurricane in 1893 did that as well. There is so little information on this hurricane, it doesn't deserve to have its own article. If you look at the track, it seems impossible. A cat. 4 or 5 that, in 3 days, goes from the Lesser Antilles to New Jersey. For all we know, there could have been 2 hurricanes; one moving slowly through the Lesser Antilles, one moving quickly northward through the East Coast. I propose merging this article with 1820-1829 Atlantic hurricane seasons on the shear basis of lack of good information. Hurricanehink 01:57, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Sources A lot of the info comes from the source listed on the page under "External links": http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/readynewyork/hazard_hurricane_history.html -- which is to say that the info comes straight from the NYC Government. They say, "Reaching the City on September 3, 1821, the storm was one of the only hurricanes believed to have passed directly over parts of modern New York City." Additional information comes from History of New York City (1784-1854) and a previous version of 1820-1829 Atlantic hurricane seasons [1].

I oppose moving this article to the 1820-1829 Atlantic hurricane seasons article, simply because it was a very notable event, and this page has quite a bit of good (and largely sourced) information.

Lastly, history is important, so I don't buy your "no non-hurricane freak is going to care about a hurricane no one remebers" comment. --Quasipalm 19:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Restarted

Well, let's try it again for this article. Hopefully it is sufficient to keep. A merger is definetly not needed, IMO. Hurricanehink 22:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the new article is much better. However I'm still curious: why would it be called the Norfolk and Long Island hurricane when it didn't make landfall near either? How can it be a direct strike on NYC when it had already been on land for 500 miles? Jdorje 01:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, good question. It should be called the Atlantic Coast Hurricane of 1821, IMO. Hurricanehink 01:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Todo

Decent article. Needs references and some wikification and general copyediting. Jdorje 07:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

The references are in external links... What more should be done about that? Hurricanehink 01:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

To qualify as A-class we need inline references. Probably the <ref> and <reference> system as used in 2005 Atlantic hurricane season is easiest. Jdorje 02:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)