Talk:1750-1795 in fashion

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Thanks for doing this one; I really want to tackle men's clothes in this period. Now I just have to get my notes together. - PKM 04:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Reorganization 2 Men's fashion 3 Additions March 17-18 4 "Pouter-pigeon look" 5 Headdresses and shoes image 6 Ducreux 7 Family pic 8 The Great Blanking

[edit] Reorganization

I reorganized this in preparation for adding Men's fashion. Added some styles of gowns and details on hats, bodices, sleeves, etc. Linked to some surviving clothes in museums and added a pile of references.

I have more illustrations to add (will make a gallery) and I want to do something on fabrics and embroidery.

I am also going to start 1700-1750 real soon now. - PKM 20:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Men's fashion

Barest beginning of men's fashion. More soon, including the Quaker influence in America (Ben Franklin's clothes and hairstyle).

We need to talk more about powder and patches!! And wigs. - PKM 22:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I have a March 10th 1795 caricature "Leaving Off Powder, or A Frugal Family Saving the Guinea" about the transition away from powdering in England -- you can see it at http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/rgnclfil.html#gencaric ; I'll upload it, if you want. Churchh 19:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Is Pemberley.com your site? Doh! = PKM 03:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Just the "JaneInfo" section... Churchh 06:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additions March 17-18

Added underwear, shoes, hairstyles, and a picture of a riding habit.

Churchh, think you'll appreciate the tight lacing cartoon. - PKM 18:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Pouter-pigeon look"

The 1906 book at http://www.archive.org/details/englishc00caltuoft says that the hey-day of the "pouter-pigeon look" was the mid-1780s, not the early 1790's, so now I don't know which is correct. It might be nice to have picture of it, also... Churchh 03:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I have spent way too much time looking at period portraits lately. I'd call it a couple of years either side of 1790. This is certainly it. The engraving is 1790, after a portait by George Morland. Lots of Morland engravings at this site with the pouter-pigeon look, with dates 1788-1790. Romney's Miss Constable of 1787 looks like the precursor of the style. Jane Ashelford (The Art of Dress) isn't specific, but she describes the starched muslin kerchief (buffon) that gave the look after events of 1785 and before events of 1789.

Interestingly, she mentions flat shoes (for walking) as opposed to high heels (suitable only for those who could ride in carriages) as one of the reactions to the French Revolution. - PKM

OK, you've eased my mind...  ;) All I had to do was change an image caption. Churchh 04:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Bought a used copy of this book [1] yesterday - it shows some pouter-pigeon looks up to 1793 but not later, including a large version of this portrait[2] which (unusually) shows the poufed fichu and the neckline beneath. Will work on getting us a better image of this. - PKM 02:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Ouch -- she's kind of trying to have it both ways (follow some incipient neo-classical trends at the same time that she's also following certain lingering non-classicizing fashion trends), and the overall result doesn't strike me as too aesthetic... :) I think I saaw the Ribeiro book a few years back, but I don't remember it all that clearly -- I was quickly ransacking the library for anything scannable which matched my particular interests at the time. Churchh 03:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Headdresses and shoes image

As a semi-lark, I uploaded Image:2nd-half-18thc-headdresses-shoes.gif from the archive.org project; you might find it useful... Churchh 01:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Ha! I am always reluctant to use "redrawings" as authoritative, given the Victorians' penchant for simply ignoring codpieces etc. These are fun. - PKM 02:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ducreux

I found a color version of the Ducreux, but it's lower res. Not sure which is better to use. Linked them in any case. ` PKM 03:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Not sure it makes too much difference -- neither looks too great at 120px tall... Churchh 04:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Family pic

Here's another cute pic (unfortunately not too precisely dated). Churchh 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Great Blanking

I am still stumbling across missing bits that were not replaced after someone came through and blanked random sections of the History of Fashion series and other clothing articles. Pleasee watch for these and help me put them back. - PKM 17:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)