Talk:1650-1700 in fashion

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Contents 1 Great stuff 2 Intro 3 Fontange 4 Images and gallery 5 Women's fashion 6 Question 7 Dating a picture

[edit] Great stuff

This is great stuff so far. PKM 05:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I need to add more pictures and captions. Also, to make it look nicer. As well, I need to add more info such as material, colors, etc. Imperial78

Let me know if I can help. You should also add some references - I can paste in the base set I am using, if you like (it covers this period). Are yoiu going to tackle women's fashion, or not interested? PKM 17:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Added some external links (the ones I found for 1600-1650 cover both periods) - PKM 18:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

I added an introductory paragraph as per Wikipedia Manual of Style and for consistency with the rest of the series. It's a bit long; we might split it into a first sentence and "General Trends" section in the future. Hope you like the image I included with it. -PKM 18:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work! Also, the picture you added is perfect for the 1670s. Imperial78

Oh good! I hoped you'd like it. `-PKM 23:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fontange

Somehow there's a sad lack of mention of the fontange... ;-) Churchh 13:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL, I could probably write about women's fashion during this time, but I do not have as much knowledge in it. I wanted someone else to do it and I can tweak it. lol Imperial78

Anyone have any opinions on what I wrote? Perhaps someone can fill in on the materials on more regional variations. The clothing of the 1650-1665 is quite bizarre, wouldn't you say? Hundreds and hundreds of yards of ribbon and very short coat and baggy petticoat breeches or baggy rhinegraves with overskirts, the 1665-1675 transition, and the 1675-1790 look we are more familiar with. Imperial78

I am amazed anyone could contribute as much detail about this period as you did. I like it a lot. This isn't my period at all, so I can't help with regional variations much, without doing research.

I think the style gallery images are a bit large - how would you feel about sizing them down to thumbnails and make a single style gallery with dates on each image? I'd be willing to do the reformatting work - had a lot of practice lately - if you approve. I might also move some images up into the text to illustrate specific points.

Churchh - first one to mention "fontage" has to do the women's clothing section! Well, maybe not; I need to do some research but if no one starts it before I get to it I'll add something. Maybe we can tag-team it? I have no time during the week now, just weekends. - PKM 17:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm more preoccupied with 1795-1820 in fashion, which I finally started (but am finding tough going, because it's very different from what I've done at http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ppbrokil.html ). I know rather little about the fashion of this period, but have a soft spot for the fontange ;-) Blanche Payne calls the styles of the 1650's "fantastically unmasculine", and worries about whether they can be called divided skirts... Churchh 12:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I will work in the female clothing line this weekend. Ah, please do fix the photos. I kind of lack the technical code work to fix those up. Note, the 1690s photo, one source listed 1695 another 1702! Not sure which one is correct. lol I believe the terms fontange and pinner are the same. I will have to do more reading! :) Imperial78

[edit] Images and gallery

Okay, I have moved and resized the images, and added captions as best I can - please flesh these out, as I am not sure about petticoat breeches and rhinegraves!!

I also made a few general grammatical tweaks and added bunch of links.

We need a picture of a Steinkerk. I will go looking. - PKM 18:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Here is a steinkerk on a 1690s gentleman:

http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1690/conty_1694.jpg

Compare him to a 1680 gentleman:

http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1680/man_1698.jpg

1680s: vertical pockets, large bow of ribbons under cravat...1690s steinkerk and no bow, horizontal pockets, a bit higher wig...

Imperial78

[edit] Women's fashion

I started it. It still needs more info on the lamentable fontange. And more stuff in general. - PKM 23:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Good job -- the fontange finally receives its just place in the sun!  ;-)

Mary II of England seems to be wearing a "hair fontange"...

One thing -- in most of the other series articles, the women's stuff is usually first, isn't it? Churchh 04:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It actually varies; I vaguely intended to alternate men and women going first and see if anyone noticed. As it happens, whatever got written first is first, and men go first in 3 articles (#1, 3 and 4 starting with 1550-1600).

However, in the interest of consistency for the reader we should probably put women's clothing first in all of these; there is certainly more to be said about women's fashion in most periods (though this period may be the exception!).

So: overview, women, men, children (if any), and social/historical commentary (where appropriate)? - PKM 03:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! Churchh 15:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

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- PKM 03:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

This 1807 caricature claims to be comparing contemporary styles to those of 1740, but wouldn't you agree that the alleged 1740 outfit actually looks more 17th-century? Churchh 19:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this question entirely! It's an odd-looking dress, but the sack-back is definitely 18th century. - PKM 01:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dating a picture

Can anyone find a firm date for Image:Eleonore of Pfalz Neuburg.jpg? DShe became empress in 1676 and this certainly looks like 1670s, but I cannot find a museum citation for it. - PKM 01:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)