Talk:14 (number)
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It might be my fault, but at some point the line with the Chinese kanji "to die" got messed up and turned into question marks. -- Anonymous User
14 is "an unlucky number in China because it is homonymous with ???? which means "must die"". The Chinese character for death is 死, but I can't write "must die". Sabbut 13:32, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
[edit] "In other fields" - what's in, what's out?
In all these number articles, there are lists of occurences of the number in various fields. Some are bordering on the ridiculous, others are not, but drawing this line seems to me to be a matter of individual taste and interest.
In some cases, there is an element of numerology in a particular occurence. I in no way believe in numerology, but I often find it quite interesting. I think it is relevant to have entries indicating how some cultures or subcultures have attached deeper meanings to some numbers. So this may - in my opinion - justify some entries that I'm sure others will find quite irrelevant.
In other cases, I fail to see what wider significance an entry could have. E.g., I have removed an entry saying
- The number of ravioli in each can from Chef Boyardee
from the article 14 (number).
Is there a general discussion about thee lists in the number articles anywhere? --Niels Ø 08:24, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
- There are some guidelines for what goes in the "other fields" section at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Numbers#Criterion_for_Including_Cultural_Associations, but I'm pretty sure that numbers relating to canned food have not been addressed either there nor in the project talk page.
- The question I would ask in this case first, is: can this be verified? I have some cans of Chef Boyardee in my emergency shelter back home. If I were to open two of those cans, would I find that they have the same number of ravioli? If the answer is yes to both this question, the next question to ask is: how universal is this factoid? Would a can of generic brand 14 oz. ravioli can have the same number of ravioli? (It's pretty universal that cans of Vienna sausages have 7 or 19 sausages each, regardless of brand). PrimeFan 15:45, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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- I added the entry, after hearing the fact on FoodTV's "Unwrapped" last night (see edit summary). I won't restore the edit myself because I refuse to engage petty revert wars. However, I do believe its inclusion is justified simply on the basis of trivia -- and it carries no more or less "wider significance" than any other piece of trivia. Who might be interested? Someone composing a crossword puzzle, or designing a factoid quiz, or writing a birthday card for 14-year-olds, or a thousand other admittedly-inane possibilities. See policy: Wikipedia is not paper; and in an encyclopedia that carries extensive entries for video game characters and imaginary micronations, I wouldn't have thought this inocuous factoid would attract someone rushing to delete it.
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- when you ask "Who might be interested?" your preaching to the choir. most of these guys have fouhgt to keep similar trivia bits in wikipedia.
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- but as a college student who'se had to eat a lot of chef boyardee's, i can tell you taht the number 14 is not quite right. in every can their is usually one or three half ravioli. so maybe it's not 14, it could be 13 and a half or 14 and a half. 141.217.25.161 02:53, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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- I had a can of Boyardee ravioli for lunch earlier today. It indeed had 14 ravioli. So if I can find a link (preferrably from the Chef Boyardee website) confirming this fact, I will restore it. Anton Mravcek 00:43, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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- I initiated this discussion, not as a discussion about the veracity of the statement on the number of ravioli in a can, but as a discussion about the relevance of that statement to the article.
- The link Wikipedia:WikiProject_Numbers#Criterion_for_Including_Cultural_Associations, supplied by PrimeFan earlier in this discussion, seems to make it clear that it is not relevant.--Niels Ø 06:43, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Removed pH
Per the page on pH, removed the statement that 14 is the limit of the pH scale. "Most substances have a pH in the range 0 to 14, although extremely acidic or basic substances may have pH < 0, or pH > 14." flowersofnight 06:46, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] 14 is a number right?
Okay! So I decided to search for 14. Just "14". Was there a concensus not to type in the definition?. I need to know because, I was thinking of writing down the definition of many other numbers... (ex.: # A common graphic of the decimal numeral, number fourteen. ) ... doing the same for all the other numbers. --CyclePat 22:22, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
- The article does define 14 right up front, though, when it says
- 14 (fourteen) is the natural number following 13 and preceding 15.
- We don't discuss "14" as a numeral because there's not much to say about it that's not actually about its digits 1 and 4. Each of these has a section on the glyph; 4 (number) indeed begins
- and 1 (number) begins similarly. 4pq1injbok 21:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
