Talk:13 (number)

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[edit] Stripes

I remember reading somewhere that when the 14th state joined the Union, they added a stripe to the flag as well as a star. But after the 17th state, the idea was dropped and the number of stripes was frozen at 13. -- Anonymous User

Actually, they changed the flag to 15 stars and 15 stripes. I'm sure it would be mentioned in the relevant article. AnonMoos 21:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 13 Going on 30

HappyDog- I think you have an obbession with 13...-nameless user I reverted back to the 141.x.x.x.'s edit adding the reference to Jennifer Garner's new movie 13 Going on 30. It might be iffy whether this is relevant to the number 13, since two numbers appear in the title, but the fact that this is a major Hollywood release clinches the issue for me. PrimeFan 18:09, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

It may be a major hollywood release, but it has absolutely no relevance to the number 13. Here are 13 other movies with 13 in the title. Should they all be listed too? --HappyDog 19:13, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
source: IMDb.com
Maybe. Some of them might have more relevance to the number 13 than the Garner movie. PrimeFan 19:28, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
My point is that, aside from the movie Thirteen, none of these have relevance to an article about the number 13. If you think they should be referenced from this page, I would suggest a separate article such as Movies with 13 in the title and add that to the list on this page. --HappyDog 19:35, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

There was an extensive debate if we should include a film title at 101 and finally it was kept. Thus I don't see why we wouldn't keep 13 Going on 30. As "none" of the 13 other titles above have articles about them (I just wikified them), I wouldn't list them. If 13 in any title can be explained (and it isn't self-explanatory), this may be worth mentioning. -- User:Docu

HappyDog, it was shady of you to ask if other movies with 13 in the title should be listed on page, then interpret the lack of response to that question as a tacit approval to remove the line about the recently released movie with 13 in the title. I think that numbers in movie titles should be mentioned in movie articles, so long as the movies are from major studios, or if their indie films that gain a wide audience. ShutterBugTrekker 21:58, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
Not deliberately shady. I figured if people don't care enough to respond after a week, they won't care about the change. At the very least I thought it'd open up the discussion (which it has). I had a look at the 101 article, but couldn't find any discussion about the inclusion of the film reference (which I have modified to refer to the original book). This is a different situation though. In this case the use of 101 is already a reference that is in public awareness. If you say to someone '101', they are likely to respond 'dalmations'. Similarly if you say '1984' people will respond 'Big Brother'. If you say '13', they are unlikely to respond 'going on 30'. Even if they do, do you think they still will be in a year's time? --HappyDog 22:41, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
Good point about public awareness. Actually, it's quite interesting that 13 going on 30 is so titled. If you say to me 'movies with 13 in the title' I'm likely to think about horror films. Yet, here we have two movies with 13 in the title where the 13 refers to an age. What's so important about age 13? I wish someone would elaborate on that. Anton Mravcek 21:22, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

It's considered by some to be adulthood; some children's menus have "Kids twelve and under" on them, and 13 is the recommended minimum age for children to be able to see PG13 movies.

I have a question. This article says "It is said that, in Gardnerian Wicca, the ideal coven has thirteen members, evenly divided between male and female." How can this be? Thirteen is odd and cannot be "evenly divided."

HappyDog- Thirteen is a natural number, why worry about it coming up in movies...if that is the case, that you have an obbession with 13 then you need to see someone...-nameless user

Thanks for the abuse nameless user. It was mature, well-informed and very much to the point. --HappyDog 00:16, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nameless user, that input is not needed. -Lengis

[edit] 13 in a coven, evenly divided between male and female?

How is this possible? Will revise out if no objections. Chrisvls 18:56, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

    • I believe it is because the coven consists of 1 leader and 12 followers (12 disciples anyone?). Fairly sure about this (at least in essence, i.e. 12 + 1), but can't cite sources save The Illuminatus Trilogy which is hardly authoratitive :) --HappyDog 17:26, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Thanks! But, whaddya think we should do? I can't tell if you are uncertain enough to add the new info. We should either delete the sentence or say something like: "In modern day Wicca, thirteen is considered the maximum size of a coven, and in some traditions the ideal number of members. It is said that, in Gardnerian Wicca, the ideal coven has thirteen members, with one leader and twelve followers, evenly divided between male and female." But, since I don't know this stuff, I can't really add it myself and would just delete it. So, I'll restart the slow clock. If you or someone else doesn't add it to the page, then I'll remove it. Thanks! Chrisvls 18:54, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Yeah - I'm not certain enough to add it myself, unless it can be corroborated in some way. If I get some time I might do some research, but to be honest that's fairly unlikely. --HappyDog 00:13, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • It's actually a bit of a joke. Making fun of Gardnerian Covens. Over emphasis on rules, so that thirteen is the ideal number, while another rule says that covens should be evenly divided between male and female. And suggesting that Gardnerian witches accept this contradiction. Or that you can have a Gardnerian Witch so balanced that they are both male ``and`` female. Anyway, it's pure humor and has no place on Wikipedia. I've removed the reference. Sorry. Ziroby 22:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] aztec number 13

[edit] Fall of Constantinople?

Who are the "some" who find the number unlucky because Constantinople fell in 1453, and because 13 the sum of 1-4-5-3? I'd never heard this before. Is this some a group of people at a certain time in the past, or in a certain culture or country?

I agree. A lot of those entries in the "As lucky, unlucky, or significant number" looks quite similar to something written in urban legends. I removed a part that's quite strange, while 4 does sound like death in Chinese, and the Chinese do have quite a superstition about that number (a lot of hospitals here don't even have a fourth floor), as far as I know 9 sounds nothing like "suffering". It actually sounds like "for a long time", as in friendship, love, etc. I personally feel that the author of that part is trying to add "weight" to the numbers so that the "shock value" would be higher. That part about "實生" being lucky also feels strange to me, at first sight of that word I would've thought something like "實習生" (intern), and even if explained the way that part suggests I think it means more of "truly alive" rather than "must be alive". Besides, non of the people I know here thinks of the number 13 that way. I apologize for the poor English in this part, I'm not too good at it, but I do think this article can be improved drastically. Valhallia 10:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nothing on here about templar?!!

add somethin.. geez

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