Talk:10/40 Window
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I'm not an expert on Wikipedia guidelines, but I've got to say that calling a third of the world's population "Unevangelized Peoples" seems questionable. It sounds just as bad as calling them "Infidels" or something. Perhaps 'Non-Christians' or even just "demographics for the 10/40 window, by religion:"?
Pasta Salad 06:39, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
While I agree that it can be viewed as derogatory, your suggestions don't imply the same thing. Evangelism quite literally means "spreading the good news", so people who have heard the "good news of Jesus Christ" without converting I believe are considered evangelized. That is why the numbers are much lower than the population in the region as a whole. Viewed in this context I don't think it's an offensive term, but if there are less inflammatory alternatives with the same meaning I'm open to it changing.
Senor fjord 23:21, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
people who have heard the "good news of Jesus Christ" without converting I believe are considered evangelized.
That's correct.
Complicating it even further, the traditional demographic sources are census-based. This leads to cultural measurements (e.g. "if you're European or American then of course you're Christian"). As a result, it's quite possible to be a follower of Jesus without leaving Islam. Apparently, there are even "Messianic Mosques"!
Mr Pete 17:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
A better way to call this would be "Non-white" world, and realize that vast majority of European populations aren't particuarly that religious at this point. Just admit it, it's about racism.
Actually, it would more accurately be called: "non-European", (as the Hispanics aren't exactly white). However, there is a significant portion of (black) Africa, that isn't included. So I guess "non-European" wouldn't that good of a term either.
Whoever made the above comment is seriously uninformed. Christianity ceased to be predominantly even semi-European many decades ago.
I'm reverting several recent edits, as they are non-factual:
- Removed the comment about South Korea. The "10/40 Window" is exactly a geographic definition, proven by the exceptions both inside and outside. South Korea is inside, and distinctly Christian. Indonesia is outside, and distinctly non-Christian and unreached. Some have complained "that's the wrong Window!"... it is what it is. A simple geographic rectangle, and an analysis of the nations whose land mass is at least 50% inside that area.
- Restored the sentence about predominant religions in the 10/40 Window. That's one of the primary attributes and valuable understandings brought by the concept; ridiculous to remove the statement.
- Removed the (ungrammatic) phrase ", by Christian organizations." -- the 10/40 Window has been recognized in Time Magazine among many other sources.
- 5 million Jews => 6 million (just recalculated based on database at http://www.joshuaproject.net). Yes, whoever put the original numbers here gave the world population of Jews, an obvious mistake.
- 1 billion Hindus => 550 million. The total population of India is not Hindu. And, even the official census misconstrues the Hindu population by self-determination measures. I'll mention this, although eventually someone will discover this statement and be upset (because it is controversial for obvious reasons): the scheduled castes (aka outcastes), approximately 300 million, are only "Hindu" for others' political/economic purposes. They hardly consider themselves real Hindus -- after all, they can't even enter a Hindu temple. Bottom line: 550 million is a pretty reasonable estimate. Yes, needs an update, but it is better than a billion.
Mr Pete 18:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Reverting more edits:
North and South Korea are both in the Window. This is apparently hard for people to believe. Please check out the Wikipedia map for North Korea. Note that South Korea is completely below 40 degrees and inside the Window. Note that most of North Korea is below 40 degrees and inside the Window.
The population statistics are not about evangelized/unevangelized. They are a count of non-Christians.
Please, if you are motivated to re-edit these issues, first talk about it on this page! All recent edits have introduced errors. Check the original sources cited in the article.
Mr Pete 11:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Map
I designed and uploaded a map that shows the actual countries that this "window" was designed to encompass, I felt it would better illustrate than a dry list. Danthemankhan 04:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nations 'controversy'
Various people seem to be intent on removing South Korea from the Window. South Korea is only one of many "anomalies" that help prove the point that the Window is simply a helpful generalization. It would be nice if this could be appreciated!
I've created a new paragraph that describes some of the interesting anomalies, including South Korea. I hope this information will help make the article acceptable!
--Mr Pete 09:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Amazing how this happens over and over. Both Koreas, North and South are 10/40 Window nations. That's because most of North Korea's land mass is inside the 10/40 Window, and all of South Korea is inside. Folks, it's a geographic definition. Yes, South Korea is majority Christian and North Korea is not. That's ok.
Mr Pete 10:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
