Talk:Áed Find

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[edit] Aedh & Caustantín & Eochaid IV

It seems highly unlikely that A. (d.778) married a daughter of C. (d.820, and his brother Óengus died in 834). Indeed, going by Eochaid IV of Dalriada, it would mean that E. married his maternal grandfather's sister. The Bannerman argues in a piece in Spes Scotorum for C. & O. being the grandsons of A.'s brother Eochaid III of Dalriada. I don't credit this myself, but if true it would make the whole thing completely unlikely. But even throwing out Bannerman's idea, as I do, the dates alone make the idea that A. (or E.) married a daughter of C. all but impossible, although it's possible, just, that E. married a sister of C., but she would certainly not have been C.'s heir given that he had brother(s), son(s) and nephew(s). Angus McLellan 00:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The battle in 768

While fiddling with Dál Riata, I was checking into Aed's battle with the Picts in 768. This appears to be accepted as certain by e.g. Bannerman, but looking at the Annals it does seem rather dubious:

  • AU 768.7 Bellum i Fortrinn iter Aedh & Cinaedh. (A battle in Foirtriu between Aed and Cinaed.)
  • AM 763.7 (for 768) Iomaireacc etir Laighnibh budhdhéisin .i. eitir Cionaedh, mac Flaind, & Aedh, i Foirtrinn, in ro marbhadh Aedh. (A battle was fought between the Leinstermen themselves, namely, between Cinaech, son of Flann, and Aedh, at Foirtrinn, where Aedh was slain.)

I have no idea about the Áed who is slain might be, Áed's and Leinster kings are both two a penny. IIRC, AClon mentions a "Hugh mac Flynn" at about this time. Cináed mac Flainn was indeed busy fighting in Leinster until his death in 770. He appears again in AM 765.12, where he's killed. He's mentioned on p. 157 of Byrne's Irish Kings and High-Kings. Any thoughts ? Angus McLellan 12:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

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