Talk:+15

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[edit] Controversy?

What is the source of information there is some criticism & controversy of the +15 in recent years? I haven't heard this. -- JamesTeterenko 16:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

It is mostly internal. I am an architecture student, and so I hear a lot of it. But there is a concensus among city planners, and I have heard quite a bit about it with regard to the East Village. I will look for a source. --Tyson2k 01:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I have heard some criticisms as well, but generally not allot. The specific criticism that I have heard before, is that when the weather is nice, not enough people get out and about....basically it takes away from the street life of downtown.

I have heard alot more people sing the praises of the +15 especially when it's cold or rainey weather. It's great if you work downtown, and the the weather is bad, you can go for a long walk, do some shopping, etc... without having to take a jacket. I would say that it actually promotes excersize during the winter months. Just my thoughts.--Surrealplaces 20:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

It has been almost two months, and no references have been added to the article for this "controversy". If we were to add anecdotal information, I could add how people working downtown love the +15. I know many people that love it and walk to meetings within it. However, this would be inappropriate, since I do not have a reliable source to cite. I will remove the information on the controversies. If someone can cite a good source, please add it back in. -- JamesTeterenko 01:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

THE CITY HAS CONDUCTED THESE STUDIES. I know because I have read them. The city does not make a habit of publishing this information on the internet. I'm all for the rules, but this is one area where Wikipedia policies are not as clear. 90% of the information on Wikipedia is not referenced (as I'm sure you have noticed), and much of it should be. Anyway... studies are out there, I don't have access to them anymore, and they are not on the internet. --Arch26 02:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

On a personal note, I hate the +15's. They could very well be the worst thing to ever happen to downtown Calgary. They were implemented when Calgary had a policy of forcing people to drive and they were designed as a way to funnel people into downtown from parking lots on the periphery of the core... a problem stemming from a lack of ability to place underground parkades in downtown Calgary. Next time you walk down 4th, 5th, or 6th Avenues in are their brutal sterility, you'll understand why the system is more of a curse than an advantage. --Arch26 02:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I found one of the references in question (see article) --Arch26

Thank you for providing a source. Note that the Wikipedia policies do not require that the references be on the internet. What you have provided is great. Yes, I acknowledge that many Wikipedia articles are missing references. Yes, I agree they should have them. Wikipedia is a work in progress, as is every article. I understand why you hate the +15s. As someone who spends most of my weekdays downtown, often with meetings in various places, I am glad Calgary has the +15s. But my opinion does not belong in the article. I'll see if I can find some positive references for the +15s and incorporate that information in the article. -- JamesTeterenko 21:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vincent Massey Award for Merit in Urban Planning

It is better to provide a link to a related article than it is to provide a dead link. At least this way, one can get information as to whom the award was named after and perhaps why. Unless, someone is planning on writing the article, Vincent Massey Award for Merit in Urban Planning, then this solution seems far more appropriate than a dead link. This is not uncommon practice in Wikipedia where a specific article does not exist. I don't understand why it has become an issue here. --Arch26 22:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I really don't think so. When I was reading the article I was quite annoyed when the link I clicked led to an article with no information on the subject I was interested in. I personally don't think many people interested in Canadian urban planning awards will be interested a biography of a governor general. The articles two are only tangentially related. If you want to just have a link to the GG only link his name, and leave the award part unlinked so that it won't be misleading. However, the red link is important, as it is through red links that we will get an actual article on the subject. - SimonP 06:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

The Vincent Massey article does mention the awards he started, briefly stating: "In 1953, he established the Governor General's Awards for Architecture. " This is a case of the target article simply not having enough information, which is best solved by adding more information to the target. -Dr Haggis - Talk 07:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I've also added an HTML comment to this article explaining why we've currently got the link "piped". It may also provide incentive (to someone, somewhere out there) to actually write an article on the award.

Atlant 12:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)